TruthSeekah Podcast
Consciousness, Structure and Religious Archetypes
Brendan speaks about consciousness, structure, and religious archetypes — how the esoteric within becomes exoteric without, and why transcending preconceived archetypes is essential to moving closer to truth.
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[0:04] Podcast Introduction
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[2:21] Welcome and Patreon Thanks
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So without further ado, we're going to go ahead and jump into today's discussion. My guest today is Brendan Murphy. Brendan, welcome to the TruthSeekah Podcast, man. How are you?
[4:32] Greetings and Location
Brendan: I'm good, man. I'm waking my brain up. It's about five past one here in the morning, but I'm going to hang in there with it. And we'll have a good chat, I'm sure. Thanks for having me on.
Derek: Yeah, definitely, man. So waking your brain up, hacking the brain and things like that, looking over your work. It seems like you know how to do that. It shouldn't be a task for you.
Brendan: Yeah.
Derek: Biohacking and ways to make the brain fire and stuff.
Brendan: Yeah, man. Absolutely. That's what I'm all about. So, yeah, getting out of bed, not my strong suit, but helping other people wake their brains up and de-inactivate and all that sort of fun stuff. Definitely. It's definitely on the menu.
Derek: So it's 1 a.m. where you are, right?
Brendan: Yeah, that's right.
Derek: You're in Australia?
Brendan: Yeah, East Coast of Australia. I don't know if you've been to Byron Bay, but Byron Bay Shire.
Derek: For sure. I haven't been there, but we've got a lot of listeners in Australia who join us, so that's pretty cool. So definitely, if you're doing anything as far as workshops or physical stuff over that way, make sure you plug that because I'm sure we'll have some people that want to link in with you for sure.
Brendan: Yeah, thanks.
Derek: Awesome.
[5:38] How Brendan Got Into Spirituality
Brendan: I'll let you know.
Derek: For sure, for sure. Let's just hear a little bit about the genesis, man. What got you into spirituality and all of the really cool things that you bring to the table? I like to hear the genesis first. Was it any childhood experiences when you was a kid that made you ask the bigger questions in life? Was it one near-death experience? What was it that got you into asking the bigger questions in life?
Brendan: Yeah, fair question. I guess it's fair to say I had a philosophical streak for as far back as I can remember. I just had that element of the personality that's curious, the blunders about things, the purpose of things, what's it all about?
If you skip forward until I was about 19 going on 20. I have a younger brother who was at school and I hadn't finished school. I think I was probably maybe in my first year of study at the Institute of Music. And he came home from school one day and he said, we had this guy come in as guests. He was a guest speaker and he was talking about online. He was talking about business. He was an entrepreneur. He also just, he was supposed to talk about business, but he was talking about this thing, this book called The Holographic Universe and you might know it yourself, quite a popular, pretty well-known book and he just said, I don't know why, but I feel like you might be interested in checking that out for some reason, which was definitely an unusual event that he would actually come home with a book recommendation for me.
So it stood out to me and I thought, I'll put that in the back of my mind and I'll come back to that. So that's what I did, I kept that there for about six months or so before I acted on it. And when I did, I went and tracked down the book and I read it. And that was the beginning of the end in a way. It was the beginning of the beginning. It just blew my mind and it showed me. But my model of reality until that point had been severely distorted and severely delimited. And that was where I began to really, that was where I became a seeker, if you like, a seeker of truth.
Derek: What year was that? How old was you?
Brendan: I think I was 19 to 20. So about 2003.
Derek: Wow. Nice. So you've been in it for a while. I was noticing like there's a lot of people who got into a lot of this stuff around 2012. Did you see a boom or shift during that time in your own life?
Brendan: Well, not in my immediate sort of surroundings that stood out to me, but I know it was a time that was definitely active and I think it's just increased ever since then. [section omitted]
[8:22] Awakening to Conspiracy and Manipulation
Derek: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. People are into conspiracy theories and asking the deeper questions now more than ever. It's interesting, too, because you see them getting caught up and getting freaked out and stuff. But that's kind of part of the process for a lot of people when you find out that whether it's the spirit realm or that the people that we've put our trust in, in the government or in the religious systems or whatever, don't have the best intentions in mind. When you find that out, that's kind of heartbreaking early on.
Brendan: Yeah, it is, man. And I would say that was the second major stage of my awakening. I had the spiritual awakening first, so I had a key mystical experience that grounded in the concept that consciousness is the foundation of reality. And then from there, because I knew from direct experience. That's a very solid grounding to move forward into exploring other areas.
And then the next thing was the political awakening, if you want to call it that, that whole awakening to the manipulation of masses and how that plays out. So that happened through a David Icke book actually, as it happens. And that showed me, like you said, if you have no idea about that stuff and then suddenly you're dropped into it, it's pretty disturbing. And I felt pretty sick to the stomach at first and I took a few weeks to put that book aside and integrate what I've learned of it, I've stopped at the 99th page. I can still remember that. I just gave it a few weeks to digest it and then come back and finish reading it. And that was like, okay, well, this is what we've got to work with.
[10:03] From Books to Direct Experience
Derek: Now, as far as reading these books and stuff like that, I feel like any type of spiritual material, for many of us, it's books, music is huge, movies, like having this awakening experience and then watching Star Wars or any of the Matrix and stuff like that. It really helps facilitate, again, you ask the bigger questions and then to understand that, hey, this stuff could be real or is real. And then it's linked in with just the realms of possibilities because you've seen it in a movie and then you're experiencing similar things and then you're reading stuff in books that are speaking about similar threads that were in Star Wars and things like that.
How do you tie the two together as far as reading some of these different philosophical books and what is possible to maybe experimenting with them or facilitating a spiritual encounter? Or how did it happen for you to like versus this is something I'm reading about that's deep and far out to like, wow, this is real and I can actually measure it or experience it in my day to day.
Brendan: You dropped out a little bit there, but could you maybe repeat the question?
Derek: As far as reading these concepts in books and stuff like that. So as far as the David Icke book and the Holographic Universe and those books, how did it jump off the page and become real for you? Did you have supernatural experiences? Was there something that you could try? Was there something that you could do as far as facilitating a supernatural experience?
Brendan: Yeah, that's a good question. So the first thing that happened to me was, the book was followed by a very spontaneous, unplanned, unintentional, mystical experience. I was just lying in bed. I was waiting to go to sleep. And there was just this sort of sudden shift. There was no transitional phase. It was just ordinary sort of state of consciousness falling into lower alpha, falling into theta sort of brainwaves. But instead of losing consciousness, I had the shift into, oh, I'm a point of consciousness in an infinite field of consciousness now, and I am the universe and the universe is me. And that was how the experience was translated at a mental level.
And the interesting thing about that was it gave me that inner knowing that this is the nature of reality at a baseline level. And as soon as I tried to mentally analyse it, that was what actually terminated the experience. So as soon as the left brain analysis kind of got involved, that was the end of it. That grounded it.
So from there I was like, okay, how do we get back there? So I started meditating. From the age of 20 to 22, I was attending a spiritualist church. I was doing the weekly transmediumship group, I was doing meditation on my own at home, I was very much in that kind of energy and doing that kind of work. So it was consistency there and I had a couple of pretty spectacular further mystical experiences that were quite deep, which again just anchors it in. So yeah, there is obviously a systematic approach that can be really useful if you want to have that knowledge and that gnosis and rather than leaving it at a mental conceptual level, you can actually be it and become it, which was very, very powerful.
Derek: So it sounds like you almost had like a lucid dream where you felt like a oneness in the dream state with all information, with everything. Like when you say I am the universe and the universe is me, is that what happened? Like you were going to sleep and you fell in this realm where you experienced that and then you were able to kind of tap into it later at times? Or how would you explain that a little bit more? Like when it started?
Brendan: Yeah, I would say that I definitely wasn't having a dream.
But it is possible to do very interesting things with consciousness. If you can send your body to sleep and keep your mind awake, then you can have these out-of-body, lucid dream type of experiences. There's an argument to be made that a lucid dream is a version of an out-of-body experience, that they are related.
I've had a couple of minor out-of-body experiences which are totally unrelated to the mystical experiences. So what I've done is I've taken more of the root of the mystic rather than the root of the occultist. My interest was more in the infinite, that undivided ground of reality, that fabric, that baseline where there is no differentiation, there is no subject and object, there's just the one, the one intelligence, the one awareness. So yeah, I would characterise it as a mystical experience as opposed to a dream, say. If you want to categorise, put things into their different categories.
[15:17] Repeatability of Mystical Experiences
Derek: That's interesting. As far as repeatability, though, how did you find that repeatability? Was it just spontaneous?
Brendan: Yeah, the first time it happened, it was entirely spontaneous. So that was a little bit of a trigger point. And then after that, it was a matter of me just systematically being consistent with meditation. It was something that I did most nights of the week. If I wasn't down at the church doing these group activities, I was on my own at home for maybe an hour to an hour and a half. I was listening to a brainwave entrainment CD most of the time, so that was helpful. I'd locked myself in a dark room, so I was creating a kind of sensory deprivation environment, and that really helps to experience these very altered, lucid states of awareness.
So that was my approach for the first two years of my 20s. So it's definitely something that's repeatable. To have these deeper experiences, these deeper mystical states, I'm not saying it's necessarily easy, but it is available if you're willing to put in some consistent effort.
[16:33] How to Go Deeper
Derek: I have a lot of people reaching out to me, asking me how they can go deeper to experience all of this stuff, and everything that you're explaining as far as positioning yourself with spiritual material, with reading books on it. I always throw in listening to music and meditating. Those three things, reading spiritual materials and books and listening to spiritual music, it was big for me. And spending time in meditation. And I think cultivating that as part of your daily life facilitates what I would call walking in the spirit, but having this connection there where you can, you're having these dreams, you're having, if you want to say, downloads, these moments of epiphanies and things like that, about the deeper matters, about your soul, your psyche, oneness, and things like that.
I know you have programs and stuff available. Is that something that you would tell people to start with, as far as how do I go deeper, how do I facilitate these things, I'm interested in what you guys are talking about? Obviously, again, with the programs, there's other paths, and breath work and getting a little bit more detailed in those musics and meditations. But as a whole, what would you say as far as to facilitate that for somebody who's just not getting into some of this stuff?
Brendan: Yeah, I think your approach is pretty logical. It depends on the individual as well. My path was pretty haphazard. For a couple of years I was disciplined. I think discipline is useful. I think, like you've been saying, imbibing the materials so that your consciousness is focused in it and resonating to that is definitely something that encourages your brain and your consciousness to shift into those other phases and other states naturally, which is doing every time you get to sleep anyway. There's a lot of good research that shows that we are essentially having out-of-body experiences as part of going to sleep.
So if you can train yourself, your mind, to stay awake as you shift through those different brainwave stages into the deeper ones, you'll have the lucid dreams. You'll have the out-of-body experiences. And you can train yourself to remember this stuff too. So it's just a matter of practice and discipline, I think, and staying focused on that kind of material. And the desire magnetises those experiences. The intention magnetises them to you. Having an out-of-body experience is really predicated on really wanting to have one.
Derek: I kind of have just been more focused on embodying the truth, these truths that we've been immersing ourselves in, and living from that place and living intentionally and trying to be the example of it, but in a way that's just unique to me, what I am. I'm trying to just be me, I'm not trying to be anybody else or follow anyone else's pattern or formula. Ultimately, everyone's duty and job, their responsibility to themselves, is to unfold that for themselves as that unique, we're all that unique fractal, that unique snowflake. So you can only do you, you can only be you, I can only be me, and we can take all these different modalities and paths and trainings and things, and at the end of the day, the challenge is to actually become it and be it at the deepest level. So I try to facilitate that.
I know we've heard the quote, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. And so you doing the inner work and listening to spiritual material, watching podcasts like this, all of this stuff, whatever you focus on shows itself to you, I guess.
[20:19] Channelling and Encounters with Beings
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Have you had those encounters with these deep levels of meditation where something comes and says hello and then you can, there even is repeatability with that kind of thing, a relationship, whether it's channelled material, or I channel these beings from Zeta Reticuli, or I channel Jesus, or whatever the case is? Have you had those type of experiences as well?
Brendan: No, I've had that filtered out really. I haven't meditated for quite a long time actually. Rather than feeling obligated to continue doing that as a separate activity, I think my mindset became live, make your life a living meditation, make it an intentional exercise so that you're not wasting your time and you're not living unintentionally and unconsciously.
So for me, yeah, I have had some interesting stuff happen. Back in the day when I was doing the meditation pretty hardcore, some very interesting vision type experiences. I had a guy who looked like a wizard kind of show up and he was sort of juggling fire or something. There was a very ethereal silver fish that glided past my face. I couldn't explain to you the purpose or meaning of the fish at all for the life of me. You can sit there and analyse the symbolism.
Derek: Which is fun. It's part of it. I'm all about analysing this stuff, for sure.
Brendan: But the experiences tend to be pretty variable. In my experience anyway, I know a lot of people who go down the road of becoming one of these sort of intuitive psychic channeller types and they're always talking to their guides, always talking to their angels or whatever they call it or conceptualise as a lot of ET contact. I've been immersed in this stuff. I've been interested in it for a long time. But on a personal level, those layers of it have been, it almost fills it out. It's like I've bypassed that stuff and gone to the core, which has been my personality.
[22:56] Questioning Channelled Beings and the Psyche
Derek: That's so strange. And I love to dig into that with the psyche and what is it? And again, showing itself to you, because I'm with you. I've been digging into this stuff for a long time and have had amazing experiences. We're beings or things show up in this realm. And I still can't put my finger on, yes, that was a being from Zeta Reticuli, his name is Zoltan or something, and I can channel him. A lot of it's iffy, but for some of these people who come out and say, yes, I do channel him, he has a message for you, those kinds of things, I question a lot of that stuff about what's going on in the psyche and facilitating your own experience.
And if you go into that with that notion and that experience, you can create that guide who wants to come and say hello, and you created in your mind and he's given you information, and this is some world within a world that you created. It's not to negate anybody's experience. It's just how much of a role we play in this experience as well. Do you question a lot of that stuff?
But again, even if you made him up and he comes to you every night, you're still getting the benefits of, if it is a being that lives on another planet, saying hello every night. There's some interesting stuff to it when it comes to channelling. I did a whole documentary teaching on it and the psyche and spirits and dealing with the ventriloquist spirits and letting your body become a ventriloquist for something to speak through. But I think it's usually deep within that person somewhere. There's different states that we can get into where we unlock more information, whether it's pulling it from the conscious collective or even from our ancestral DNA. There's so much crazy stuff to it. But when it comes to creating this philosophy, like I'm going to show you how to summon these beings from this planet by doing this meditation, what are some of the pitfalls or some of the realities to that kind of stuff that you've seen?
Brendan: Yeah, I think you raise a few good points there. This issue of unconsciously or even intentionally creating another entity, a thought form entity, a tool, poet or being, is something that is very, very common. And also, we do this on a collective level as well. Once it's created, it will tend to behave, at least initially, as it's programmed to, as it's expected to, in line with the ideas that we have about this thing or this being. Then they can also take on their own kind of volition and intelligence and have their own kind of agenda, like lose interest in obeying, being obedient or whatever. So it's really a case-by-case thing because there are so many possibilities in this infinite realm of possibility. So it's great. Endless amounts of research and fun to be had.
And that issue of what is it that you're actually dealing with, what are you actually opening up to, is a really good question. Because a lot of people have an encounter or encounters, but they don't have the experience or the context or maybe the level of perception to show them what is the essence of this thing that I'm interacting with. Is this an intelligent thought form that's responding to me? Is it a separate being like me, or is it something that I conjured up unconsciously? Is it something that collective consciousness has birthed? Is it an alien from out of space? A lot of the skill set isn't there. It's not developed to be able to discern things.
I've spoken to people who have massive experience with that kind of thing, and these beings show up and they shower this person with love and light and make them feel really good, but for some strange reason, the person who's being showered with love and light gets into this massive depression and the two don't add up. It's like something's not right here, and then someone a bit more experienced comes in to help them and sees, well, what is this entity? And they give it a command, showing you what you actually are. This is a kind of cosmic universal law where if you demand to be told or informed what the entity actually is, then they have to tell you. And then it turns out to be something that is operating completely against their interests, against their best interests. And maybe it's not showering you with love and light. Maybe it's harvesting your energy and making you feel really s***ty. So you have to assess things on a case-by-case basis.
[27:51] Strange Claims and What If They Were Right
Derek: Yeah, that's the thing, man. There's so many different things that people claim to experience and what's going on in their realm of belief. I don't want to make fun of them, but some of it sounds so preposterous. People messaging me, telling me I am the reincarnation of the god Odin, and we're supposed to be married. Crazy stalkers, weird stuff. And I'm like, nah, I don't believe it. And they're like, yes, you are. You need to understand this. And I feel like, no, I think you need help. You know what I'm saying? So there is some weird stuff that comes into play with that or with so many other scenarios. And I know you've heard as many as I have.
But in the back of my mind, not the Odin thing, but some of these far out, people telling me that they're the Archangel Michael and all this kind of stuff, it's like, what if they were right? What if you die? What if you go to heaven or wherever you go after this place?
And you're talking to God and it's like, I sent you the Archangel Michael, but you didn't believe it was him. Some of the stuff that sounds preposterous is like, what if it's real? I hear so much. People are emailing me telling me that they're my mother reincarnated from when I was a king, just crazy stuff. And I'm like, what would that do to me if I believed it? What would that do to my psyche if I went around and I'm Odin? You need to respect me. That messes with people's psyche.
[29:34] Pitfalls of Dealing With Spirits
Derek: So there are some pitfalls that people can fall into with dealing with spirits. And we say spirits, these become spirits because they're in essence. They're like, I'm carrying myself like Odin. Now everything I interact with, it's like Odin's picking up these things. And I've never seen this type of technology. It gets kind of crazy, bro. What are some of the pitfalls and how do we stay clear of it?
It's not to stay away from it or not have the conversation. That's not the answer. But what are some of the ways to avoid some of these weird psychoses and pitfalls and things?
Brendan: Yeah, that's a great question. Being grounded. Be grounded. Don't be off with the fairies. Come back to your centre and create your reality from the inside out. Not from the outside in. I would caution against this, and it is a plague on this planet at this point, even in the 21st century, where people create their personal reality by allowing a pre-existing belief structure, whatever it might be, to inform their worldview and their view of themselves.
Whether it's original sin in Catholicism, Christianity, whatever it might be, if you're imbibing something that somebody else has created and you're internalising it, that's not your unique truth. That's not the truth about who you are. The truth about who you are can only come from inside of you. But if you're distracted by everything going on around you and you're not listening to it, you're not tapping into your DNA, then you're going to be blown around like a leaf in the wind.
It's like you have no grounding, because everything outside of you is constantly shifting and changing. One minute you've got this belief system, the next minute that doesn't suit you, so you're emotionally driven away and you go over here and you become this other thing. It's all these labels and all this stuff, it's just externalising you and you have no foundation whatsoever.
So a lot of these people who emailed you with your Odin or whatever, I've had some pretty weird stuff too, man, and it's like if you could look at, and I'm not saying this to be an a******, but if you could look at those people's lives and the way that they function, at least 99% of the time you would not envy them in the state that their mind and their life is in. They're not coming from a stable place. Essentially it's a mind virus.
If you think about the psychic terrain that we exist in, it's populated with massive amounts of thought forms that are up to tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years old, and then you've got all the crap that we've been creating over the last couple hundred years. All this stuff exists on the thought form in the mental planes, the astral planes. So at any given moment you can be influenced by anything. Any garbage that exists psychically, cognitively, psychologically can infiltrate you if you are vulnerable, if you're not grounded in yourself, if you're not protected. Uncontrolled use of recreational drugs, alcoholism, all this kind of stuff destabilises the psyche and it opens you up to these other intrusive energies. So being sensible and looking out for yourself and being healthy is just a foundational starting point.
[33:06] Spiritual Awakening and Psychosis
Derek: Yeah, I'm with you on a lot of these people, it's nothing to envy as far as their lifestyle or what they're doing, but part of this is spiritual awakening. So when they have this awakening to consciousness and all is one and there are enlightened beings out there and those kind of things, you hear a lot of stories about people leaving Fortune 500 companies and they were a CEO of this and that and now they're a spiritual teacher. Now they're a guru. Now they're more fulfilled in life. They're helping people.
But I know very well people who have their stuff together, who have those mental breakdowns and it's usually some type of spiritual psychosis. I am God. I can give scenarios. I don't want to call anyone out just because they listen to the podcast. But I get a lot of well-meaning to-do people. And I've done some weird stuff. You know what I'm saying? It's hard to, when you find out that reality is deeper and it's a little bit different than what we've been taught, it's a mind mess. It'll mess you up. It'll shake you, man. When you find out that your pastor has been lying to you, or your pastor has got a kid tied up in the basement. Just weird stuff that sends people into these weird whirlwinds, whatever it can be.
There are so many different things that can cause a spiritual awakening. I'll say that. And it's usually having your dichotomy shifted, destroyed, right? Your worldview to, boom, this is the real world. For so many people it's scary, so for so many people it's Alex Jones and the Pizzagate stuff that's happening right now. But it always comes back to, like you said, grounding and doing the inner work for yourself. But there are a lot of well-meaning to-do people that fall into those pitfalls.
[35:10] Stress, the Psyche and Encounters With Jesus
Brendan: One of the things is that intense psychological duress has a way of pressurising and compressing the psyche. It's like a bridge can only take so much weight on it before it eventually starts to crumble. The psyche is the same. The more that someone is compressed by these external pressures and stresses, traumas and all that stuff, the more it leads them to a point where, if they don't have a constructive, integrative awakening kind of experience, they'll have a disintegrative sort of experience.
A lot of people have noticed, and this has been the theme that I've noticed over the last few years in particular, is that that has been playing out, that whole having a life breakdown, a life crisis, is often followed by somebody believing that they've had an encounter with Jesus. And I don't care if you want to believe that this historical version of events based on the Bible is, that's your deal. But there's a clear pattern that the psychologically fragile, stressed out person is going to become open to these other influences.
Every spiritual awakening or journey or altered state is always occurring in the psyche. You're always going deeper into the psyche. There is nowhere else to go. It's all psychological. And that's not reductionist. I'm saying it in the broadest possible sense. So everything exists within the psyche. The broad psyche of the cosmos, the universe, the multiverse. So you can never avoid that. You can never avoid psychological content. It's either going to be yours or it's going to be someone else's. It's going to be the collective's.
And one of the strongest forces or entities in the collective consciousness at this point in time, based on 2000 years, say 1800 years, of conditioning, is the Jesus Christ entity. The intelligence which operates probably as a pretty autonomous being at this point and behaves as people would expect it to based on conditioning. So that's an example of what can happen when you are opened up to things that maybe you're not fully prepared for and don't know how to interpret, in near-death experiences people have.
There are a lot of Westerners who have that conditioning, even if they're not believers, if they're not, they don't have to be a believer, but they will still often have an experience where they see this luminous being, and they interpret it later on, or even at the time, as Jesus. But I notice regularly that they also don't have a developed perspective to be able to interpret the experience from a 40,000 foot view. And interestingly enough, the entity in these near-death experiences, to hone in on one point, never ever identifies itself as Jesus. It's always the subjective interpretation of the person having the experience.
So what you'll find, and I get into this in a lot of detail in the book I'm writing, Book Two, is that the forces of the psyche, the collective unconscious, will manifest themselves as these different avatars and archetypes based on what the individual needs or will understand. And to a large extent it's as simple as that, because otherwise it would not be constructive. It's like we get what we're capable of grasping at the time.
[38:53] Archetypes and Whatever Works
Derek: Yeah, that's so deep. Because that's my story. I call myself a Christian mystic. When everything was in shambles, it wasn't that, because it works both ways, right? There are a lot of people who go to Jesus but they end up going to religion, you know what I'm saying? And then that messes everything up. Hey, you can't do that, you can't do this, can't be friends with that person, can't listen to this music. And so that's crumbling all of their stuff that they have built up.
But for a lot of people who are hurting or having a hard time with the psyche, what Jesus represents is light. It's the highest form of love. And that's what I call it. Love that became a person for me. So if I pray or if I invoke that name, I can say the same thing. I call upon the highest form of love that exists in the universe right now. Or I can just say I call upon Jesus. For me and my psyche, we have these players, these, you say, avatars or archetypes, that embody this. And so Jesus would be the highest form of love. The devil is the epitome of darkness. And then there are entities and beings in between, angels and demons. Right? And those are archetypes. They're essences. Right? And so, again, what you believe shows itself to you.
And if you believe that to be true, and if it really is, if Jesus really is out there, I don't care what you call it. Just like the AA program, we don't care what you call it. You just have to believe that there is a God or a creator or the universe that loves you, that you can draw power from. And so when you have these systems and archetypes in place, they can help people, right? Because I'm drawing this love from, and then people say because it's an external source and you're not really getting it, you're going outside of yourself or whatever, but ne arriver sanitiser dos. All religions have essentially something similar, these different tenets and stuff.
And whether it's through some form of hero's journey, we have the archetypes and this story that we're all playing out. I believe that if this civilisation, if life as we know it is deleted and starts over, these stories are going to come back. It's just whether it's in the soul of man or whether it is the truth. If Jesus and God are sitting there watching, I think it's a little bit deeper and we've given them names and titles. And I'm cool with that. It still works. That's the thing. It works. This is the name. Or it's Baba Ji. Baba Ji appears to me. Hey, it works, man. Baba Ji sending you light and love. Hey, it's working, bro. You're holding your stuff together. Zeta Reticuli beings come to you every seven days and they're giving you knowledge and downloads of the seven stars. It's working. Whatever it is, it's with becoming the archetype and understanding that it works.
So I deal with a lot of spiritual far out, trying to explain this stuff, and people laugh at Christianity or how simple or dogmatic Christianity is or has become. And we're deeper than spirituality, maybe get into Hinduism or Mayan culture or whatever, but it's the archetype. We have to pick one. You've got to pick one. If not, you're going to be these people. Hey man, I'm reincarnated. You've got to have something that works. It's got to have practices. It's got to have something that helps you have this routine. But I feel like what I do is a little bit of all of it. I want to take the good stuff from every culture and get rid of the bad stuff. And maybe that is a form of my psychology of not wanting to deal with the darkness or bad. But if it works, it works.
And I feel like that's even what this podcast is, talking to people from every spectrum. And I'm picking their brain to see what's working. Oh, that works? You did it and it worked? Yeah, and it brought tremendous peace? Okay, I can try it at least and see if it works for me. And I think that's how we progress with this narrative of what's working. Okay, I'm not necessarily telling you that it's Jesus, but that's the archetype. I can use those words and this is what it means to me. It triggers things in my psyche that allow me to connect, and not just me, but it's the religion of the day for now.
And people, they relate to it or draw away from it, especially in the hippie new age movement. Oh, Jesus and religion? No, my father was a pastor. For some people, it's a trigger. They don't want nothing to do with you when they hear, even I've been using the term God, they hate that term.
But I'm like, doing the inner work too is like, okay, why are you upset with that term? Why does God offend you? Why can't you use it? Oh, because God represents the patriarchy, whatever. And I'm like, okay, let's get to the bottom and really understand that.
So when it's coming to all of religion and our spiritual practices, I feel like you got to pick one. You do. When you join the Masons, you got to pick a religion. You can't come as just, hey, I'm just whatever. You have to pick a higher power, the Masons, AA, you gotta have some type of, because they all have patriarchs, they all have archangels, and all of these people and things that represent different things.
What do you feel about that? Do you have one or is it just open? I'm open too, but I understand this isn't definite. I understand the power in my psyche and what it relates to for me and other people. What do you feel about the archetypes and having to pick one and having a spiritual practice?
Because if not, then we're like, hey, this guy says to channel. This guy says don't channel. This guy says I'm talking to a demon. This guy says I'm talking to Jesus. And there's so much confusion and chaos when it comes to this stuff, which is part of the process, though.
Brendan: Yeah, and it's a good question. It's a fair point. Yeah, man. What you just articulated is somebody who is externalised and not centred in themselves. So for me, it's an interesting discussion.
Derek: Is that a bad thing, though, is I guess what I'm getting to? Because if it's working, you know what I'm saying?
Brendan: Well, having a belief structure?
Derek: Yeah, having a structure. And other players, archetypes. This is the Jesus who represents love. This is the devil. This is Shiva that represents this. And this is Vishnu who represents that. And they're all representations of the one, of consciousness, of love, of God, of death, of hatred, of bigotry. They have people that help us to stay away from that because that represents this.
Brendan: Yeah, no, that's right. And as long as you can understand that it is a representation, it is a symbol, it is something symbolic, and it represents a deeper force in the deeper layers of the psyche, your psyche, the collective psyche, the universe's psyche, there's nothing wrong with that. That's what a belief structure does for someone, ideally. It stabilises their psychology and it stabilises their personality and offers a baseline framework that you can then develop the personality from within.
And eventually what happens will be that maybe this life, maybe the afterlife, maybe some other so-called reincarnation, they'll let that go and they'll use other tools to explore themselves, to get to know themselves better.
Whereas a lot of people fall into the trap of, oh, Jesus and the devil, these are these literal beings and they have this model of this really dualistic model, heaven and hell. If I'm a naughty boy, I'm going to hell. If I'm good, I'm going to heaven. Sit at the right hand of God and on the cloud and all this stuff. And it's like, heaven is not a geographical location and hell is not either.
And if you can't understand this stuff at a slightly deeper level than face value, superficial appearances, then there's nothing wrong with that. That's just the way things are. Everyone's at their own level of understanding and development. I like to challenge people to always push ahead and strive to go another step, go another step deeper, understand a little bit better, understand from a higher perspective, because as you do that, perspective changes everything.
Perspective really is everything, because ultimately the only reality, the only model of reality that makes any sense is a panpsychist model. In essence, the essence is the understanding that consciousness is the ground of reality. So therefore everything is possible, everything can be manifested, everything can be experienced, but what actually serves you in your internal maturation and growth as a self-realised being?
Are you taking the archetype of Jesus and externalising it and turning it into this deity that you worship and is greater than you and he needs to save you from this concept of sin which is completely made up? Or are you using it as some people do, which is as a guide, a model for you to aspire to and to become more like that, to embody those traits and be more so-called Christ-like? That's useful. As long as you understand that it's a symbol, it's fine to work with symbols. That's what we've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years and nothing's really changed.
Derek: So would you say that even with religion, it's obvious what's going on, we've literalised the archetypes and the myths and the allegories, and they're powerful allegories. They're strong archetypes, they're amazing myths if you dissect them the right way and apply those principles to your life. So do you think that all of religion, whether it's Christianity or Hinduism or Islam or whatever, especially some of the more militant religions. Do you think that's where the pitfall is, when we embody these as literal entities or tenants and things like that? When it's a myth and allegory?
Brendan: Yeah, absolutely. When you literalise, you lose the essence of the message. You lose it completely. You can read the Bible as a historical document, but if you do, you lose the whole mystical essence, which is the whole point of the document.
So yeah, it's education, and the trap for a lot of people is just that they don't have, it's like when you don't, when you're not aware and you're not aware that you're not aware. You're vulnerable to whatever. You're open, you're vulnerable, you can be manipulated. You might take on an idea and then you turn your idea into a dogma. You turn your model of reality into a dogma that can never be questioned. It can never be altered and can't be expanded on. And that's a really stultifying, limiting place to be.
So I'm just someone who don't really have a belief structure. So I guess I have to be transparent and say, I actually can't do it. For my purposes and the function I'm here to serve on the planet is to show people the highest possible level of perspective that I can access and then here it is. Take what you want from this and then help people climb the mountain with me, as I'm climbing the mountain.
[50:49] Structure, Ritual and Routine
Derek: But I feel like those are steps, you're talking about climbing a mountain, there's steps in climbing. When you go up a ladder or ascend, there's steps that say, hey, here's the, like you wouldn't just pick them up and let them skip these steps. Whether it's the book or whether it's this, there are these things that again work for you, whether it is the meditation or whether even those things are these practices that we teach and they become, I wouldn't say dogmatic, but it's a structure. It's something that's repeatable.
Obviously Christianity or some of the other religions have done a better job, or just a more ancient, more primitive people, at saying that this is the way. But eventually there are these other archetypes or religions or ideas or new age or whatever that becomes like these are the steps. Don't do this, don't do that. Even Crowley had his stuff, you know what I'm saying? All of these occultists and people who even explore deep realms of consciousness come back with some steps. Like this is what you do and this is what you don't do kind of thing, right?
I feel like that is still even organically part of your structure because you do it every day. Like, listen, I don't want to skip this. I need to do this. This helps me ground. This helps me do this. I want to take ayahuasca. I want to do psilocybin. These are part of our religious, there's literally religions and cults built upon these things and they have tenets. You need a shaman. You need this. You don't question the shaman. He's going to help you get through it. You know what I'm saying? So these structures and things that are, we need it. I feel like we need it. But you don't feel like you have any structure. Even if it's your own that you made up, you know what I'm saying?
Brendan: Well, for example, with the DNA activation stuff in the Evolve Yourself program, that's more about giving people a transformative experience. There is a structure inside of that that is designed to produce a transformative experience, a healing experience, an evolutionary experience, a trigger, so that they don't have to come back and repeat that same level. So maybe five months later, they come back and we do the second ceremony, which is a completely different thing, which takes you into a different phase of your journey. And I'm not giving someone homework, like, do this meditation, do that meditation, because I'm not doing it myself. My life is about embodying the truths.
Derek: But at the same time, if it worked for you, you are mapping out what worked for you, and paying it forward. Hey, this worked. Why wouldn't you tell them to try the Wim Hof method or whatever it is? You know what I'm saying? Because it worked for you and it's a beautiful practice. Am I looking too deep into it or what?
Brendan: I don't know if I'm not sure.
Derek: I'm just using an example. Wim Hof.
Brendan: I rate the Wim Hof method, actually, just incidentally. It's really good. I do like certain things. Okay, so if you want to talk about routines and that kind of stuff, structural stuff.
Derek: Well, that's what the rituals are, the routines. You do it, yeah.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. For me, I've gotten into a little bit of a habit, habits. Habits is really the key word, I think. Habits are something that I look at as, are you forming a habit that's going to support you and expand you, nourish you, or are you just running on habits unconsciously that don't serve any purpose?
So I like to get up in the morning. Usually I'll do a little bit of movement, just to loosen up, open the hips up, open the legs up, open the back up. I might go outside and I might do some 30 or 40 breaths, standing in the sun, of Wim Hof breathing, just some, just a quick session of breath work, just flood the system with oxygen, all this stuff. So at the moment, my early, early morning normally would look something like that. Because that's the stuff that sort of sets me up to just feel good and functional to go into the rest of the day.
And you can structure your day however you want. I've had structure about how to, this block of time and this block of time and all that sort of stuff. But people find what works for them.
Derek: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying too, just like paying, I don't want to say paying it forward, but just like, whether it's mapping out or giving someone a plan even, because it's what's working, again, hey, this is what I do. And I say that, it's not as like being dogmatic or trying to force it on somebody, but people need structure, man. You know what I'm saying? Look at drug addicts. Even prison and stuff like that. I know people who flourish in prison. They need to be told when to eat. They need to be told when to go to sleep.
So that's where religion comes in. You need to be told how to pray. You need to be told how to commune. You need to be told how to go within or at least taught. But some people told. And so I think that's where literally religion means to bind or to hold back. And some people need restraints that they have never had passed down. They were never taught. They have never shown self-control.
So some of these structures, hey, do this in the morning, wake up. Stare at the sun, you know what I'm saying? Take a couple breaths. And so even just that, if you do it 30 days straight, it becomes a religious routine. Even if it's not religion, it becomes a routine or a ritual. My morning ritual is this. I get my coffee. I get my donut. I listen to the TruthSeekah Podcast. What is it? You know what I'm saying?
So I think it's healthy, especially when it is good stuff that's building you up and encouraging you to seek, encouraging you to go within, encouraging you to ask the bigger questions and then tying it back into consciousness. Listen, if you break these tenets, it's okay. There's more you can add or you can take away. These are things that help and stuff. And maybe I'm looking too deep into the structure and just the, we just did an episode about the power of ritual and nostalgia and those kind of things. It helps people, you know?
Brendan: Yeah. Yeah, it does. And that's fair. That's a fair thing to say, too, because it really does. And there are people at all sorts of [?] troubling in a very traumatized civilization.
You're right, rituals and habits and routines give us an anchorage point, a point of orientation to then organise ourselves and organise the psyche around that and then go out from there. So if you intentionally create those rituals, intentionally choose those habits, it's a very empowering thing. So I definitely don't at all negate the power of habit, the power of routine, if you have created them intentionally, for sure.
Once you do, you internalise it. Once it's a habit, it's internalised and it probably is invisible to you. You don't even realise you're doing it. Me wanting to get up and stand in the sun and breathe is just what happens now. So these things are great.
Whatever it is that serves you to expand and deepen your self-awareness and to be a better version of you, go for it. If you found something that's working, do it and just be mindful, at a mental level, of opportunities to continue expanding, continue seeking and understanding things at a deeper level, at a higher level.
[58:49] Near-Death Experiences and Psychedelics
Derek: That's good. I'm with it, man. And you talk about near-death experiences and stuff like that. And so I know you study it, you hear people's stories and stuff. As far as you, have you had that type of encounter with a near-death experience?
Brendan: I've never had an NDE. No, no. I've had the mystical sort of unharmed, non-traumatic stuff.
Derek: Well, that's the next question. Since you've never had it, are we facilitating them coming near death on five grams or more of psilocybin or something like that? It feels very similar to what they're talking about.
Brendan: Yeah, I think a lot of people have said ketamine is in particular a really, well, I don't know, a way to have a new death experience, basically. So, yeah, I think there's some really interesting things that you could do under appropriate conditions and circumstances.
I've done high doses of mushrooms. If you're listening to this out there, it's not a toy. Do not go into that lightly. Preferably go into it with someone who's experienced and who is not taking the mushrooms while you are. And do your homework so you know what to expect if it's not so fun.
Going in again, it's like psychic amplifiers, psychological amplifiers, like taking a humongous magnifying glass to your own psyche and being able to look back at it, and everything's turned up, the volumes turned up to 11 on everything. If you're not having a great day, or you're not in a great point in your life, then you can be dropped into that and you're just stuck there until it's over. So it's not always the best thing ever.
But if you do have a great experience, it's beautiful, transcendent, words can't even describe. I mean, the last session I had was so abstract. There was nothing that even vaguely resembled form of any sort. Whatsoever was hyper-abstract, but it was absolutely phenomenal. So in the integrated period, in the aftermath, you can learn a lot about yourself. If you take the time to think about it and reflect on it, they are definitely tools.
I don't have structure around using that stuff as such. I like micro-dosing, by the way. I think micro-dosing is a really cool thing. Very small doses on a consistent basis. There's another habit for you guys. If you want habits and routine, that's an awesome one. Microdosis.
[1:01:19] Consciousness: Within or Without
Derek: Yeah. I feel like so. So with that, a lot of stuff we've been talking about and you mentioned consciousness a lot. Going in, do you think that tools like psilocybin and those kind of things are just allowing you to explore your own consciousness in like a deeper way? Is all of that like within you and within the universe, like those kind of that concept that is like... It's not literally like the mushrooms giving you access or a pass to these deeper states of consciousness that exists within you and without you at the same time. Or is it all within? Like I want to put words in your mouth.
Brendan: Yeah, no, it's a good question. And it's sort of semantics as well, because without is within. If you understand the psyche is the only reality, and I mean that in the broader sense, I don't mean the thing, your brain and your skull. I mean the nature of all reality infinitely is consciousness. So that's the container. There is no container in a sense. It's like everything is theoretically possible. Everything manifests somewhere in some place somehow.
And all that afterlife, the stuff we've been talking about, I just want to be clear that when I'm listening, I'm not at all negating the fact that consciousness survives the death of the physical body. It's just that when you talk about in and out, it's like those terms don't really have any meaning at a certain threshold. It's kind of all the same. Ultimately, everything's contained in this transpersonal psyche.
So you talk about having experiences on mushrooms and you can have contact with the spirits of deceased family members. I mean, that happens. That happened to my brother not long ago. He saw or communicated, at least saw, our grandfather who we never actually had a chance to meet. He died when I was 11 and my brother was three years yet to be born. So he actually had that contact with him in his ayahuasca session.
So yeah, there's a lot that you can do with altered states of consciousness. We're not trapped in our own personal little solipsistic bubbles. We are part of this integrated transpersonal field where I can connect with you. Telepathically, I can venture into the afterlife and meet my grandpa. Like all this stuff is available to us if we want to do it, for sure.
[1:03:40] Was It Really Grandpa?
Derek: Now, with that, again, exploring the psyche, do you think that that really was your grandfather? Or was it just the essence or the hope of wanting to someday meet him that it's planted somewhere in the psyche? Or does it, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, right? Because it's still the same experience for the individual. You leave there with closure. You leave there with a hope of, you know, that we continue. I mean, there's so much that's imparted to you in your psyche that there is an afterlife. Even if there isn't. You being okay with death now because I know where we go when we die and we're okay. There's so much that's imparted to you. But as far as it being really grandpa, obviously, do you think it matters or was it really him? What would you say to that?
Brendan: I think the person having the experience has to be the one to answer, probably. We can only assess things based on the information and the evidence. So case by case is how I like to approach things because it could well, excuse me, could well have been grandfather. That's entirely possible.
It's a field of information and consciousness that gets interpreted by your sensory system in the form of a physical appearance, a humanoid looking being. And that's just the way that it makes sense for that intelligence to present itself to our consciousness while we're still anchored in a human body. We're still tuned to the human body system and that's what makes sense to us. So I think there's an intelligent interaction there if it is a real contact.
And there's a lot of afterlife research experiments with mediums and all sorts of things that indicates really strongly that we are capable of interacting with dead people. And it's just a completely natural fact of life. So, yeah, absolutely. It could well have been that. And like I say, the survival of consciousness thing is very, very evidentially based. There's no reason to look at that as an article of religious faith or something that we've just plucked out of the air to make ourselves feel better. The evidence for it is there and it's very strong.
[1:05:59] Science, Spirituality and the Fear of Death
Derek: Yeah, that's one of the things that even from some of the religious, I say religious, Christian-based spiritual movement. So there's, I guess we would call some type of Christian mystic, if you will. And so they're really big on a lot of different studies or science, even dealing with the paranormal or sound or consciousness, if you will, really proving some of the things that they've believed throughout antiquity, right? Because some of the stuff is just passed down throughout the Bible or whatever and many other holy books. And so it's like explaining a lot of the stuff, whether it is the afterlife or whether it is the power of sound and vibration and words and things like that. So I love those experiments. And whenever science and spirituality collide and it proves some of these things, for me, I think that the paranormal and the psychic realms and some of these things, I feel like they prove the existence of an afterlife, right? Of something that continues.
Now that's even fun to explore, whether that's just some type of record or an echo that's just there playing over and over because it was a traumatic death when someone encounters a ghost or something, if you will. But just to explore that for some, there's, I feel like there's this big, I've been listening to a lot of Mike Tyson lately on his podcast, and he talks a lot about many people just trying to make sense of death. And that's just what we're doing. We're trying to prolong our death. I mean, the elite are literally trying to do it with all types of weird technologies and freezing their brains and pumping blood of young people, like taking their blood out and putting younger blood in them, like crazy far out stuff, putting machines in your head and becoming one with robots and stuff like that. It's this inevitable escape of death.
Maybe it's the fear that consciousness dies versus the body dying. I'm okay with my body dying, but consciousness dying is scary. Religion and all of these things help us cope with it. Even the paranormal, the afterlife, the ayahuasca, the mushrooms. Listen, I've been to where we're going when we die. I mean, I've said that and I feel that, which has something to do with our consciousness, with the all, with the one. It doesn't look like it does here. But I feel like we're trying to explain or escape or we're just biding time for that big transition with death.
Brendan: Yeah, a lot of it is.
Derek: And it's okay to identify that though, right? I mean, it's not like you're weak for saying that you're still scared or have questions, you know?
Brendan: No, I've gone through phases of different levels of certainty, different levels of confidence in that idea, even though I've got all the mystical grounding, direct experience that you can possibly need, and all the research at an academic book learning kind of level. But I still look at that critically and question everything, all the conclusions that I've reached, all of the whole viewpoint.
[1:09:18] Gary Schwartz and Medium Experiments
Brendan: But it's interesting, there's so many angles you can approach it from, and there's been some very, very interesting experiments done on afterlife research by Gary Schwartz. I do mention this in my second book, which I'm working on, where the experiments were done with mediums. And it was partly predicated on mediums being accurate and actually having the abilities that they think they have. But the key to the experiment was that the discarnate entity was actually essentially running it. They were the key. If there was no discarnate intelligent entity in the afterlife, whatever you want to call it, then the experiment could not have succeeded.
So they were relying on this theoretical or postulated being who is not physical to actually get this experiment to work, and they succeeded repeatedly to get these experiments with mediums and communication working. So they were like double-blinded, triple-blinded experiments where the experimenters didn't know what was happening. The mediums didn't know what was happening. It was all about if these spirits are real. The only way this experiment is going to work is if they're real and can communicate intelligently and understand what we're doing and participate in it in a dynamic adaptive kind of way, so that they're not just an echo of the past, not just this thing that's being replayed mindlessly. It is actually an intelligence there.
So, yeah, one of many interesting strands of research that supports the idea that consciousness survives. If you think of reality as a lucid dream or as a psychological state, people don't think of you and I sitting here talking, excuse me, they don't think of this as the experience of a particular kind of consciousness. This is a state of consciousness that we can interact in and a state of consciousness in which the physical body and physical reality seems real. Appears to be real.
I remember Robert Monroe made a very interesting statement in one of his books. He was the Western pioneer of the out-of-body experience. One of the things he said as a result of his travels out-of-body was that in order to have this experience that we are having in a body, you have to first, as an entity, agree that time and space actually exist, and then insert yourself into it, into the video game, and then play along as one of the characters. So it's just perspective.
[1:11:58] Pendulums, Tulpas and Telekinesis
Derek: Yeah. Well, I like the fact that you said that they were double-blinded and placebos, because my mind immediately goes back to consciousness and creating your reality and creating that response that you wanted. Whether it is a tulpa, right, a created entity that we're trying to contact, whether it is a deceased loved one, whoever, most of the time in those cases, I would say it was a deceased person.
I've been in this question years ago when I was real deep into the occult and doing a lot of practices, a lot of weird meditations. I got into the pendulum stuff of holding the pendulum up. They said you needed an object close to you, so I would use my necklace. I would hold the necklace and I would ask questions. I feel like it would move. Literally, I would hold it as still. And I'm trying to prove this to myself. Is this real? Is this something I could trust? So I would hold it as still as I could, and I would ask a question. It would go back and forth for no, and this way for yes and no, and it would move. Then it would stop after the question was done.
For me, it was spirits controlling it. It was demons maybe or whatever wanted to communicate. I don't know what it was. There was even one experiment where I would put some old Marilyn Manson music on that started off real slow and got really fast and really heavy. I would ask it to move in a circle and it would go. I'd be spinning really fast. I would do it as a party trick. We'd get everybody and say, hey man, I want to show you something. And we'd do it. And literally, I'm holding it. I'm not doing it.
So I guess back then it was like, okay, the spirit was communicating with me or whatever, or a spirit, whatever. But now I kind of knew which way I wanted it to go in my mind. So now I'm looking at this as some type of telekinetic energy that I was controlling the whole time with my mind, even though I gave it a persona, if you will, I gave it an archetype as a demon or as a spirit or whatever to move this. Can you move this spirit? And then I seen the spirit moving it in my head. But was I really using my own telepathic energies to move it? Because when I would ask it yes or no, I think I would kind of maybe try to push it, maybe, I don't know, and yes or no, and then definitely when it's going in a circle, I'm envisioning it, can you do it, can you move it in a circle? Come on, move it in a circle. And I'm communicating and then it just starts. What about those type of things? What would you say? Can both be real at the same time? Could there be a reality where sometimes it was a demon or entity and other times it was me with my own telekinetic energy? What would you say to something like that?
Brendan: Yeah, I think both possible. There was an interesting study done, it was quite detailed, where, sorry, I'm just going to get rid of this thing off of the screen here. Excuse me for one sec, brother. Okay, yeah, so there was an experiment where a group of researchers got together. They're all into parapsychology and they thought it would be a worthy experiment to try to create an entity, using their intention and as a group, and to then see if they could get parapsychological phenomena to happen under controlled conditions, and they called their hypothetical entity Philip.
And so yeah, they did actually, through the group pumping their psychic energy into this idea, like this kind of psychic nucleus, they managed to create physical effects. Like they got wrapping on tables, they got various phenomena that would normally be viewed as psychic, parapsychological entities here. But in that case, that was a classic example of a group that had actually intentionally gone about creating their own entity out of nothing.
So their own thought form, essentially, thought form being, which is something that we do. And we've always done it. As soon as you imagine something, it exists as a thought form. And if millions of people imagine it, then it exists as a much more powerful, stable thought form with a lot more sustenance behind it. And to the point where it can become autonomous even. And that's a potential for any thought form that gets created. So yeah, you just have to look at it case by case because everything is possible virtually.
[1:16:48] Religions, Angelic Contact and Spirit Communication
Derek: Yeah, that's interesting, man. Again, hence Jesus, or hence any entity that we've repeatedly, there had to be a time where that started and there was just a group of guys like, hey man, we need to make this thing, we need to make it real. I need you to give testimonies. I need you to make up stories about your encounters with this entity. Joseph Smith even. In my book I talk about how the majority of these so-called religions are birthed out of so-called angelic contact. With Muhammad in the cave and meeting an angel and Joseph Smith meeting an angel and even the New Testament, Paul is riding a freaking horse and Jesus appears to him as light and knocks him off.
And so it's like these angelic encounters that formed these religions or these people that have some type of life-changing, whether they made them up, whether they made that up and it just became the thing and they had other people with them and it just caught on, which could happen, which does happen for sure. Or if it was real, like if they really encountered these angels is a very, very interesting thing to look into. But I mean, the more you say it, the more you believe it, it becomes real and takes a life of its own.
I guess if we even look at religion, if Jesus really existed, he definitely didn't have in mind what Christianity has become, and other people getting a hold of it evolved this thing and corrupted your tulpa, corrupted that spirit that was beautiful. Maybe to certain people. For some people, it's not corrupted. It's beautiful and they love it. But it's just, I guess the beauty in that case is in the eye of the beholder.
Whether with your spirits, I talk about spirit contact all the time. Trying to contact what spirits are in these houses or uncle so-and-so. Most of the time when we look at our ancestors, and I love the terminology of our ancestors watching over us, my ancestors were drug addicts and pimps, man. They beat their wives, they were slave owners. These aren't, I don't feel like are good people that we need to be trying to reach out to to get information about how to live life. You know what I'm saying? So people are like, is there any spirits here? What if that spirit was a pedophile that's in your house and you're like trying to reach out and channel these entities? And so again, there are some pitfalls and things when it comes to dealing with some of these energies, you know?
[1:19:18] Earthbound Spirits
Brendan: Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's like you say, with the example of a pedophile, like the troubled, the more troubled humans are the ones who tend to remain earthbound. They're the ones who are, especially the ones who are pathologically criminal. Hang around. All the movies are about them.
Derek: Yeah.
Brendan: Yeah, they hang around and they don't want to, they're not interested in guidance or these, if you read this book, you might have read it, 30 years. Carl Wickland, 30 Years with the Dead or something like that.
Derek: Yeah, somebody just talked about that on the last episode, for sure.
Brendan: Yeah, I mean, there's some really interesting exchanges and passages in that because his wife was a medium and she would channel these spirits ostensibly and they would share some very interesting things about some of the recalcitrant or criminal spirits who remained earthbound and didn't want their input, didn't want the guidance, didn't want to go into the afterlife, didn't want to go into the light and leave the earth plane.
And they talked about dragging them away to be put into a kind of like a quarantine against their will because they were so disruptive and so unruly they wouldn't listen. So it was like, well, we can't have you running around creating chaos and running amok anymore. So we've got to put you in the naughty corner kind of thing until you sort of straighten yourself out. So, yeah, it's a menagerie out there.
[1:20:45] Judgment, Love and Fear of Death
Derek: Well, I think that's where the heaven and hell stuff comes from, of this judgment that's looming. And I even have a hope for a judgment, right? Of like in the end, everything being righted wrongs and whether that is a holding place and somewhere that you go to to be purged for the wrong that you did or you have to learn the lessons and not like some eternal punishment, but like, whether they say, like, I've heard something like hell for Hitler would be like him having to apologise and see the damage that he caused and what he did and having to talk to the people and stuff like that.
Like, I know it's like fiction, but like the Apocalypse of Peter talks about, Peter goes into detail about the types of wickedness that you did on the earth in the afterlife. Like those demons or entities will do that to you if you were raping people. You're going to get raped by these grotesque demons. If you killed somebody or shot them, you're going to keep replaying that over and over, maybe until you serve out a sentence. I would hope that there would just be a time period to where, okay, you're released, you've learned your lesson, you've accepted love.
I really do feel like love plays a huge role in this conscious collective thing about learning how to love others. Ascending higher, right? You're talking about the lower level entities or the stuff that people have done that are earthbound. It's usually negative hatred, earth, like lower level stuff. And so it's this ascension process to accept love, to walk in forgiveness, to minister forgiveness and those things. I mean, I really feel like whatever Supreme Consciousness, if we call it God or whatever, through those plant journeys and stuff, it's trying to teach us very similar experiences about love and about living in the moment and being in the now and understanding that this is short. Like this plate, this is 70 years if you're lucky kind of thing. Like be in the now, be in the moment, taste chocolate, go swimming in the ocean because where you're going, it's not that. You know what I'm saying? That kind of thing.
And so that makes me scared of death too, honestly. Like with the small stuff that I'm not going to be able to swim in the ocean no more. I'm not going to be able to tell my friends jokes anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like just the little stuff that we take for granted that I love, that I enjoy, that it's not going to be here. At least we're going to exist differently versus whether you believe in reincarnation and coming back or going to another realm that is totally different. Maybe it's somewhat similar, another earth type planet. I mean, there's so many different theories and so many different things that can happen, but I don't think there's any place that's going to be quite like this existence, which I think I spent the majority of my life loathing, not the majority now, I'm on the other side, but loathing and wanting to die and wanting to cause chaos and confusion and hurt people and corrupt it.
Now I've crafted a life that I enjoy and I love and I can't wait to wake up and get started and have conversations like this and be with my family and go bike riding and just the little small things that I love, life so much has put me in this place to where I don't want to lose it. So when we're talking about the elite who maybe are scared to lose their wealth or what they've achieved, they're trying to like live forever. I kind of feel that too. Like now that I've built a life that I love and I enjoy, I don't want to leave it. It's going to be sorrow. It's going to be sad. Even coming back through reincarnation, I don't want to even do that. I don't want to come back with another family and new kids and a new wife or be a drunkard on the street. I don't want to experience those things because I'm in the moment and I love this moment that I've created and I've been present in.
It's a fear to lose that, to change any of that. Maybe it's even the stability there that I've created, that I'm scared to lose that, but it's inevitable. It is the fear of the inevitable that's going to happen. Like I'm going to have to say goodbye in this form anyway. But it's scary. I'm scared of it. I don't want to do it.
Brendan: Man, death is the great equaliser, we're all gonna be, our bodies are all gonna end up dust one way or another. And that's just the way, that's the game we signed up for. This is the journey that we signed up for. And we know in advance that these are the rules. And we know how it goes and how it plays out.
And if it's any consolation for anyone listening, I can say that when people have near-death experiences, as an example, a lot of those people will tell you emphatically that that moment of actually dying was the greatest thing that ever happened to them. The most amazing, the most beautiful. And not just because they were often connected, reconnected with loved ones who'd passed already, but just because the sheer expansion and the beauty of that process of, because what the body does is it shrinks you, it shrinks your consciousness, it reduces it, it limits it. So all of a sudden you get disconnected from this limiting factor, this filter. Take the filter away and your experience of reality becomes radically different.
And those people, they rave about it. They can't wait. They can't wait to reach the other side again. So what we're not seeing here is the other side of the coin, which is the beauty of what is waiting for us on the other side of this, the other part of the journey where the journey does continue, just is a little bit slightly different format.
Derek: Yeah, that's the hope. The hope is that it continues. And the consciousness thing is that you are, in essence, that I'm not just blended with 17 people, or with going back to become a part of the One, which I really feel like that's going to be something similar. But to be even having a name and identity on the other side, I want to believe it. I really don't, at the end of the day. I feel like we're going to go back in. It's not going to continue on like this. Even thoughts and stuff.
And what scares me with this, I don't want to be a downer on this stuff, but these are just things for us to work through because other people have these thoughts too. The whole consciousness continuing on outside of the brain, when I look at Alzheimer's and I look at dementia and people who go maybe 10 years or so at the end of their life and they don't remember anything or anyone. And just to think that when they die, they pop out like, oh, wow, I had to shake that off, man, that body. I couldn't even. I couldn't talk for 10 years. I forgot everyone. I didn't know who you were. And that it comes back when you die. For me, it's hard to believe that they just popped back into who they were, kind of thing.
I watched this documentary yesterday. It was a short interview with this family in Virginia who was inbred and most of them couldn't even talk. They're clicking and making dog noises and stuff, and just to understand that their existence, and maybe when they pop back into consciousness that they'll get to kind of have a right brain. But what the hell is a right brain? Is it mine? Is it my consciousness? Is it because they're not like me? That kind of thing, and just these questions.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And these are questions that will probably haunt us to the day we die. A lot of the literature talks about this veil of forgetting that we pass through in order to be in a body in the first place and forget where we came from, forget our heritage and the rest of what we are, so that we can play this game in this role, and do it in earnest and mean it and get the full experience from it. Because if we knew it was a game, we wouldn't maybe take it as seriously. We wouldn't get the growth. We wouldn't get the full experience out of it.
Yeah, I definitely can say, after spending literally thousands of hours studying the question of what happens when you die, what happens when consciousness does not have a brain to rely on anymore, it is clearly that it continues in an enhanced state, rather than being a limited one. And if you think about the people with Alzheimer's that you mentioned, consciousness operating through a broken tuning system, a broken physical medium, is going to be impaired. But the body itself is a form of impairment in the sense of it shrinking and contracting the natural state of consciousness. So if you eliminate that from the equation, the restoration of consciousness is instant.
We see NDEs of people who have birth defects or injuries and what have you, and when they come out of their body they have a self-image that is perfectly healed and perfectly whole. And there are references in the Bible to this kind of thing, like people interpret it as this is the spiritual body that they talk about. And that's true to a point. That is the truth of what happens as far as evidence is available to us to indicate. And there's quite a lot of it. So it's a really interesting journey. I focus very heavily on that in the second book, which I'm in the process of working on. So hopefully I'll get it out early next year.
[1:30:13] Coping With Fear of Death
Derek: Yeah, that's awesome, man. Again, I think the paranormal, I think the supernatural, for me, really quiets those fears. It helps me understand those fears. It's legit. And I think that many people have different fears, and we have different ways to cope with it. For me, again, it would be paranormal spirituality to cope with that stuff and kind of reason through it. Most people just put it on the back burner and try not to think about it, so they feel like they're going to live forever. Most of us live life without even thinking about death. We just think, oh yeah, that's how it's going to be forever. And then when someone dies, or things change, or a spouse cheats on you and your situation changes or whatever, then they get thrown into this frenzy or this whirlwind.
So I think that, just being present, man. I think that, again, the spirituality and the plant medicine really communicate those messages and wanting to step into manifestation, whether it's dealing with the psyche on how to tell yourself, yes, this is the game plan and we're going to stick with it. Dealing with manifestation deals with being in the present moment. And that's one of the biggest keys that I think. It seems simple, but it's deep, you know what I'm saying, to remain present in the moment and those kinds of things.
[1:31:29] Where to Find Brendan's Work
Derek: And so, man, I really enjoy talking with you, bro. You got some programs, you got books and a lot of cool stuff. Go ahead and plug your website, man, let people know where they can check out your work. And you've got some free courses and stuff like that too, right? Some programs?
Brendan: Yeah, thanks, man. So if you want to see the books, the writing, the blog, that's brendandmurphy.com. And if people are interested in the DNA activation stuff, the transformative experience, the evolutionary side of things, then I do have a free masterclass, which you can find at evolveyourself.live. So that's a free masterclass and that'll show you what it's all about, how it works and what I'm doing with people.
This month, in July, will be the last time that we run Evolve Yourself as it currently exists. So I definitely encourage people to get into it. Evolve Yourself is evolving, so I'm changing it up for the future. It may not be quite as accessible. And I'm not saying that as a marketing ploy, it actually will probably not be quite as accessible. So check out the free masterclass, check out the book, brendandmurphy.com is where you'll find my writing. And I really enjoyed the chat, bro. Thanks for having me on.
[1:32:43] Farewells
Derek: Yeah, man. Thanks again for coming on. Thanks for staying up late, waking up early to come on and to change the schedule, man, to talk with me. I really enjoyed it, bro. And I'll send you everything when it's up, man. Thanks again. Really enjoyed this conversation, bro.
Brendan: Thanks, mate. You take it easy and we'll chat again soon.
Derek: All right, brother. Many blessings.
Brendan: Thanks, man.
Derek: Shalom, peace.
[1:33:04] Derek's Closing Reflections on Death and Belief
Derek: Brendan Murphy, ladies and gentlemen. Good discussion. Open and honest. A lot of people don't want to talk about death, man, but again, that's why we talk about the beauty, you know what I'm saying, the contrast of it all.
And again, I have a lot of mystic friends, a lot of Christian mystic friends, and a lot of Hindu-type people whose way to escape death is the fact that they think that they're going to live forever in this body, not that your soul or your spirit continues forever. So I believe that, right? But that your body continues forever, your persona, it gets renewed. You're not growing older, you're growing younger. They're going to get younger. You're going to maybe, I don't know if it's, some people believe that to be tied into breatharianism. You've got to learn how to eat the sun, and breathe, and just not cut out food, that your food is killing you. So many different weird analogies. But the more I read the scriptures, man, the more I'm like, it's about dying. It's trying to explain death to you and give you hope that Christ has defeated death. I don't know why, but I always think about that. Y'all know I mention that a lot.
It's a form of escapism, but again, if it's helping you, then who am I to judge? Because then again, I've never died, so I don't know. You might be right. I might be wrong. The weird thing is I hope I'm wrong for your sake. You know what I'm saying? But again, if you go to your grave and that's how it helps you become a better person, it helps you not live in fear of death like me. I like to talk about these things. You know what I'm saying? TruthSeekah fears death. You're not supposed to fear death. Look, I fear a lot of stuff, man. There are healthy fears. If I didn't fear death, then I think that it wouldn't cause me to be cautious about situations where you could die. You know what I'm saying? Protect your neck. Be careful. There are healthy fears out there, man.
And so hold your stuff together. Whatever's helping you make sense of all this stuff, then I'm for it. If it's a religious practice, if it's a spiritual practice, if it's plant medicine, if it's the lack thereof, I'm for it. I don't care. I like to talk about it. Let's talk about it. Ask the hard questions. And that's how we get to the answers, man. Getting to the bottom of it. Asking the deeper questions that you were told not to ask, or told don't worry about that, God will tell you when you get to heaven. Those are the questions you should be asking. They're in you for a reason. You've come to the right place.
[1:35:47] Book Mentions and Synchronicities
Derek: Hey, thanks for hanging out with us, man. I really enjoyed this podcast. Hope you did too. Again, one of the books that was mentioned. Brendan has his book, so make sure you go to his website, check out his stuff. I'll link it in the description. But another book that was mentioned twice in the last two podcasts, which is interesting, got to pay attention to the synchronicities, 30 Years of the Dead. Or 30 Years with the Dead, I think it is. Check that out. That's one I'm going to be putting in to order very soon as well, just because it's coming up as a meme for me. I definitely, yesterday, ordered the Screwtape Letters, because that's one that's been coming up that I should have read. So I put that in yesterday. So that's going to be coming in. I'm going to check that one out.
But yeah, if you got signs and synchronicities, the funny thing is people listening to this podcast, you have so many signs. You have so many synchronicities that are popping up for you. And there are things that I'm not even aware of, and there are words that have been spoken and things that have been said that you've been hearing for years or maybe the last week or maybe just today you've heard a phrase or a term several times. Pay attention to that. Pay attention to that. That is consciousness. That is God trying to get your attention. That is a breadcrumb from the Creator. I believe that.
[1:37:04] Thanks to Supporters and Sign-Off
Derek: With that, I'm going to say peace and shalom. Thank you guys. All the names that are scrolling across the bottom, if you're watching this on YouTube, if you're listening to this on the podcasting apps and you're supporting, man, thank you guys for all the support. There's no way I can name all of you guys. The interesting thing, the beautiful thing, is that the community and the supporters are at an all-time high. I'm trying to get to 200 supporters. I think we have 168 right now, 163 maybe, something like that. And it's at the first of the month where usually everybody falls off. You know what I'm saying? But people are continuing. So thank you guys for believing in the work, riding with me and supporting at any level of giving. You can support for a dollar just to know that you're down, just to get the alerts, just to get some of the exclusive content, just to join us on the School of the Mystics. You know what I'm saying?
And everybody who is supporting in other ways, trust me, I need those other ways just as much. I need your prayers. I need your support. I need your friendships. I need you to share this out. You know what I'm saying? Every way helps. And so I am very thankful for that. And so thank you guys for that. But if you'd like to support financially and get a bunch of really cool stuff, Patreon.com backslash TruthSeekah. Those links are definitely in the descriptions for sure. Thank you guys for believing in the work. Got a lot more exciting episodes planned for the next like three months or so. Really cool guests coming on. Make sure you guys stick around, and thanks so much, guys. With that I'll say peace and shalom. We'll do it again very soon. Peace, peace.