TruthTheory Podcast
Simulation Theory, Science Vs Spirituality, Astral Realms
Brendan joins TruthTheory to explore simulation theory, the science vs spirituality debate, and the nature of astral realms — drawing on his cross-tradition research into consciousness and the architecture of reality.
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[0:00] Simulation Theory and Projected Consciousness
Brendan: We've forgotten who and what we are, and now we're fumbling in the dark for these ideas to make sense of what's going on.
It does make sense of things to some extent. There are some good ideas in simulation theory, and it makes sense that we're talking about parallel timelines and these types of things. Philip K. Dick was talking about this stuff decades ago and helped to put it on the map a little bit.
But at the end of the day, if we look at it from an empirical, experiential point of view, there's no indication or evidence to support the idea that it's literally a technological simulation that we're in. We're not inside a computer mainframe or circuitry or whatever. We are just in a conscious projection, a projection of consciousness.
It's kind of like you're talking about the dream. It's the same principle. We're like as if we are in a dream. We're projecting this dualistic experience from a place of underlying unity, this one mind that you mentioned.
[1:02] Inheriting Ancient Lenses on Reality
Brendan: People need to remember that when you look at that material, it has come from 2000 years or more ago, a very different cultural experience, a very different State of Consciousness. People have undergone their own ritual training using different mind-altering substances. And their contact with, if you want to call it the quantum field, the information field, was going to be different from the kinds of contact that we might have now. Because you're always swimming in the collective unconscious and the programs that are running in that.
And so people have taken some of those ideas, I think, and superimpose them onto what's happening now. And I don't think that's necessarily always a super helpful thing to do, to take on somebody else's lens on reality.
It's like the same thing that born-again Christians do when they pick up, they become biblical. I won't say scholars, but they become biblically oriented and they think that they've got the answers, but they're inheriting somebody else's manufactured belief system.
[2:17] Introduction to the Episode
TruthTheory: Welcome, everyone. Today we have another interview, this time with Brendan Murphy, who is the host of Truthiverse podcast, author and Life Coach. And Brendan is very much interested in topics that are close to my heart. So what is the nature of reality? And he loves to look at these types of subjects through the lens of spirituality and science, which resonates with me a lot because this is how I like to look at things. This is how I try to understand the nature of reality. I look at both science and mysteries and ancient teachings and these types of things.
So this is what we covered in this episode. We are talking about things like what is the nature of consciousness, how ancient teachings talked about some of the scientific concepts, what are astral planes, what happens after we die, the simulation hypothesis, we are having some discussion on that as well, the future of AI. And many, many other interesting subjects. So if you are someone who likes to mix science with spirituality, you're in the right place.
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So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, this is Brendan Murphy.
[4:45] Welcome and Guest Introduction
TruthTheory: Okay, this is Mike Sygula from TruthTheory.com and this is TruthTheory Podcast and my guest today is Brendan Murphy. Brendan is the Consciousness Guy, host of the popular Truthiverse Podcast, and author of the critically acclaimed The Grand Illusion Synthesis of Science and Spirituality Book One. He's also the founder of Truthiversity, a multimedia online learning portal for conscious explorers of reality. Check out Truthiversity.com and facilitator of accelerated evolution inside his Evolve Yourself program. Check out evolveyourself.live and follow him on Instagram, B****ute, Substack and YouTube and all the links will be in the description below.
So Brendan, welcome to the show.
Brendan: Thanks for having me, mate. It's good to be here.
TruthTheory: Thanks for joining me today. I like the fact that you are someone who is exploring mysteries and you like to go deep, especially mixing science and spirituality. And this is something that I'm very much interested in, so looking forward to it, looking forward to hearing what you have to say about what is our reality, nature of consciousness, simulation hypothesis, etc. And maybe you can just tell us a little bit about how you became interested in these types of subjects and what was your awakening, quote unquote, just from the very beginning, if you could summarise that.
[6:31] Early Curiosity and The Holographic Universe
Brendan: Sure, yeah. For some reason when I was a teenager, I was 15 years old and I was thinking about things that most of the other kids weren't. I was wondering about what happens after you die, what happens when you die, that kind of thing. And I don't really know why, but I didn't really do anything with that curiosity until after school. I was done with school and I read a book that my brother had suggested to me through someone he'd connected with. And basically this book that I read, which you've probably heard of, is called The Holographic Universe. That got me, that opened up the, sorry, go ahead.
TruthTheory: Yeah, I think it was Michael Talbot.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. A lot of people in this space know of that book. And that was the one when I was 20 years old that opened up my curiosity. So at that point, it was like, oh, man, my mind was blown. Everything that I thought I knew about how the world works was just destroyed. And from there, I never looked back. I was very, very curious and I just went down this path, all guns blazing.
So I've never really done much else. A lot of people have had to work their passion projects and things around a 9-to-5 job. I've never had a 9-to-5 job. So yeah, I've been pretty hardcore down this road.
[7:54] Mystical and Paranormal Experiences
TruthTheory: Okay, cool. And did you ever had any paranormal experiences, psychic phenomena or anything like that?
Brendan: Yeah, I've had lots of stuff here and there. My grounding was, after that book, was having actual what people might call mystical experiences and altered states of consciousness where I essentially became, experienced being infinite, infinite consciousness. So that's my grounding point. That's my foundation, if you like. That's where I always come back to, the fact that we are infinite consciousness and I know that from direct experience.
And then lots of other things, I've always been interested in the paranormal and that kind of stuff. So I've had some pretty interesting little experiences along the way. I spent a couple of years attending a trans mediumship group on a Thursday night as well. And that's always interesting. That's a whole other world. But yeah, so it's always been with me for the last 20 years, all that stuff.
TruthTheory: So you actually had this type of experiences of reaching, say, Conscious Cosmic Consciousness or something like that, or becoming a part of the collective mind or anything like that?
Brendan: Yeah, I guess some people would call it Cosmic Consciousness. Yep, that's one way to put it.
TruthTheory: Yeah, but what happened without any psychedelics or just any exercises, any breath work, anything like that?
Brendan: The first time it happened, it wasn't long after I'd read that book. And it was just spontaneous. I was lying on my bed waiting to go to sleep. And there was just a very sudden shift of awareness. And I was just experiencing myself as a little point, a point of consciousness inside an infinite field of consciousness. But at the same time, I could feel that I was the entire thing, expanding in all directions type thing at the same time.
So that was just a spontaneous thing. And then I took up meditation and I started having a little bit more of a controlled, a few more experiences like that that were a little bit more sustained and controlled, maybe more intentional.
[10:03] Psychedelics Versus Meditation
TruthTheory: Okay. Have you ever tried psychedelics?
Brendan: Yeah, I've done it. I've tried a bunch of stuff. I've tried a bunch. Yep. Some interesting things. I think the most powerful thing for me has always been the stuff that didn't involve any additional externals. Just meditation and what have you.
TruthTheory: That's good. That's something I don't hear often. Normally, it's the other way around. Even in my case, I've been meditating for more than 15 years and I tried many methods, but when I actually started using psychedelics like magic mushrooms, they amplified everything a lot for me, at least. And they were influential, for sure. But in your case, it's kind of the opposite, which is interesting.
Brendan: It's sort of a funny thing, all those plant medicines and all the hallucinogens, they all have the right time and place. They can be really useful for people at the right point in time. For me, I think I was fortunate to have a spontaneous experience that wasn't even intended. And then that just showed me, this is the deal. And because of that, I guess I never had to doubt or question, well, is that real because I was taking drugs or whatever?
It's not that we need to doubt that in our space. We understand that we have different pathways to get to an enhanced or deeper awareness or an altered state. It's just horses for courses, really. And I think it's important for people to realise that they have the ability to do it just through sitting in meditation and you don't need anything else.
[11:59] Proving Consciousness Is Fundamental
TruthTheory: Cool. So do you think that, because when it gets to researching consciousness and understanding nature of consciousness, mainstream science still keeps looking for consciousness in the brain and they don't really have a very solid theory, framework to try to prove what is Consciousness, understand what is Consciousness. There is a lot of speculation, but someone like you and me and many others who have been researching mysteries and ancient teachings and metaphysics, we know that everything is Consciousness. There is one mind, this is a basis of reality, this is the fundamental aspect. Do you think there is a way to prove that somehow scientifically? So have you thought about how would you be able to prove it or explain it to a skeptic or someone with some evidence?
Brendan: Yeah, I think that was really, in a way, the point of what I was trying to do in the first book, which I published at the end of 2012 now. So the thing is, it depends on if you're trying to convince someone, they have to be at least a little bit open-minded to evidence. And a lot of, most of the so-called skeptics out there are not actually skeptics and they don't even know what the word means. Most of them are just entertainers and closed-minded ideological sort of fanatics who think they have the answers before they've even done the inquiry. So if you get them out of the way, because there's no point trying to convince them of anything.
Yeah, my interest was in how many different ways can I look at this? Because you mentioned that there's this one mind at the end of the day, one mind underlying everything. And that's true. And people who've been there and experienced it know that from experience, not because it's a nice idea, but we know from living it.
I was trying to figure out, okay, well, I'd like to ram this home to people, really drill at home. How many different ways can I approach that subject of the interconnectedness of everything and the unity of everything, and show it through different pathways?
So when you study stuff like the telepathy research that's been done, or the ability of people to alter someone's dream state or consciousness, there are so many different avenues that parapsychologists have gone down over decades and decades, researching psychic abilities and unusual coincidences where, from looking at the odds, the odds against chance, it's just like there's something very interesting going on that we are interconnected. Over arbitrarily large distances, distance has absolutely no relevance whatsoever.
And the experiments in quantum mechanics, quantum physics, with the twin particles, entanglement, that shows that, that actually proves that. They've demonstrated it. So how many different ways can we kind of come at that interconnectedness? That was a theme through the whole book. So, yeah, it pervades it. I was just trying to help people to understand it and see it in different ways.
TruthTheory: Yeah, this idea that when you have, I think, twin photons or electrons, right, separated apart by distance of miles, and they influence one and the other reacts simultaneously. And we tend to think that everything has distance, and the quickest speed is the speed of light and things like that. But there is a completely different way of looking at things.
And the way I look at it as well is when you think about a dream, for example. In the dream, you think that there is a distance, you think that there are other people outside of you and things like that. But actually, from the awake state, the whole thing is just happening in your mind and there is no distance. Everything is, in a way, a projection of the mind and it's entangled. So distance is an illusion. And it's actually the same thing happens on a big scale here. That's why these types of experiments prove that. But it's a very tricky thing for us to comprehend because we believe that there is distance and empty space around us and things like that.
[16:43] Simulation Theory
TruthTheory: So, yeah, there are a lot of these things, I guess, when it gets to researching consciousness. What do you think about the simulation theory? What's your kind of perspective on that?
Brendan: Yeah, I think we've got to sort of look at the big picture of where we're at in terms of history. We've been coming out of quite a period of pretty rank materialism, really hardcore materialism, where the paradigm for some centuries has been, well, only what you see and touch is real and this kind of thinking. In the grand scheme of things, that's just a blink of an eye. The rest of our history is not like that. Our world views have not been like that at all.
So I see the simulation theory as kind of a recovery from our amnesia, the forgetting of who and what we are, and an attempt, as we recover from materialism, to try to, it's people trying to figure out, well, how did we get here? What is going on? What is the source of reality? Where is it? Is there a source? And of course, we're in such a technological electronic age that that's how we now tend to frame things and that's the lens that we see things through is technology and electronics.
So the idea that we could be, it could be a computer system that's projecting this reality or something, we could be hooked into some kind of matrix, that makes sense as to why people are entertaining these thoughts. And so I think it's kind of like a step in the right direction. It's like baby steps in a way, recovering from a very deep-seated kind of like almost senile dementia in a way, like not that it's senility, but you know what I'm saying, we've forgotten who and what we are and now we're fumbling in the dark for these ideas as to make sense of what's going on.
And it does make sense of things to some extent, like there's some good ideas in simulation theory and makes sense that we're talking about parallel timelines and these types of things. And Philip K. Dick was talking about this stuff decades ago and helped to sort of put it on the map a little bit. But at the end of the day, the reality is that if we look at it from an empirical experiential point of view, there's no indication or evidence to support the idea that it's literally a technological simulation that we're in. Like we're not inside a computer mainframe or circuitry or whatever. We are just in a conscious projection, a projection of consciousness. It's kind of like you're talking about the dream thing. And it's the same principle. We're as if we are in a dream, with being. We're projecting this dualistic experience from a place of underlying unity, this one mind that you mentioned. So, yeah, simulation theory has some good ideas. It's moving people in the right direction as long as they don't get stuck there.
TruthTheory: Yeah, so the idea is that there is simulation, but it's created by the mind or collective mind or all of us or something like that. And it resembles something like we could think about computer simulation, but it's organic in nature and things like that. This is more or less. What's your thoughts on it?
Brendan: I think so. I think that's more or less how to look at it.
[20:07] Prison, Creation and Gnostic Teachings
TruthTheory: Yeah. I've been also thinking about this for a long time and I had some experiences on psychedelics where I would get into higher states and I could, for example, see reality from different levels as well. One of these was when I actually could see everything happening here simultaneously, everything on earth, everything in my life. And I think maybe it was the level of the higher self or like between densities or something like that, because I was here in the body, but also everything here. And I was the higher version there.
And I've been getting insights about it that apparently this is more like a mixture of one thing is that we are the creators, and also the negative side, the dark side, is trying to manipulate our creative ability to create versions of reality that are not beneficial for us, but more for the negative beings and things like that. But also that there is some aspect of a fake simulation, whatever. I was getting that it's a mixture of both. So it's like one is a form of prison where we are the creators, but we are being manipulated to create reality that is not necessarily benefiting us, but there is also some synthetic aspect to, I don't know, make it the way it is or something like that.
What do you think? Do you think this is just everything is just our own creation? Or do you think there is some hand behind it? Like we know about Gnostic teachings and things of this nature that supposedly also say that this is a false reality and things like that. What do you think about that?
Brendan: Yeah, I mean, it's interesting you bring up the Gnostic stuff. That's become very vogue and popular in the last sort of 10, 15 years. People need to remember that when you look at that material, that has come from, firstly, 2000 years or more ago, a very different cultural experience, a very different state of consciousness. People have undergone their own ritual training using different mind-altering substances. And their contact with, if you want to call it the quantum field, the information field, was going to be different from the kinds of contact that we might have now. Because you're always sort of swimming in the collective unconscious and the programs that are running in that.
And so people have taken some of those ideas, I think, and they've taken them and sort of imposed them, superimposed them onto what's happening now. And I don't think that's necessarily always a super helpful thing to do, like to take on somebody else's lens on reality. It's like the same thing that born-again Christians do when they pick up, they become biblical, I won't say scholars, but they become biblically oriented and they think that they've got the answers, but they're inheriting somebody else's manufactured belief system. And that's not coming from them. That's not necessarily their own experience, unless you're talking about your experience, which is an actual experience that you had.
[23:44] The Astral Fantasia and Thought Forms
Brendan: And then I think it's interesting, you've got to kind of look at it and like, well, when people are plugged into their meat suit and they're still attached to it in those altered states of consciousness, you're still, to a large extent, potentially plugged into the collective unconscious. And there is a sort of a layer of that. I talk about it as if there's like a layer or a bubble in the collective unconscious, which is kind of like I refer to it as like the Astral Fantasia, which is kind of like. Anything goes in a way, like anything that we look for, we can find a lot of our, the deities or the demons or the satans or whatever, the aliens, you can find a lot of this stuff there in that sort of layer of the collective unconscious.
And I know from talking to a lot of different people and reading a lot of material that there are people who have a skill set in that realm who can plug into that aspect of the collective unconscious, but they don't necessarily realise that they need to actually take a step back from their perception in there and realise that it may not be things, what they're seeing and sensing aren't necessarily what they appear to be. It's like an informational encounter, but it's being interpreted through a certain kind of a human lens, if that makes sense.
TruthTheory: Yeah, so you're thinking basically that, let's say, if you have these psychedelics experiences and you encountered some kind of being, let's say, mechanical elf, which is something that several people talked about, like Terence McKenna. Do you think that maybe the next person sees that because this is something that someone else saw before and they just tapped into that thought? Pattern in collective unconscious because of other people who claim that they saw the same thing. So it's technically not a real being, but more like a projection of the collective from the past or something like that.
Brendan: In principle, in principle, that could be one way of looking at it. The machine elves, mechanical elves, I wouldn't say that I necessarily, I'm not going to sit here and go, I know what that is. And I know what's going on there. I've got the answers. That's not what I'm going to say. I would still want to look at things on a case by case sort of a basis. But yes, the general principle that you're touching on there is what people, I think, could benefit from holding in mind, because we have research around this too.
We have the capacity to consciously and unconsciously create entities, and every thought that we have, we experience it as a thought, but on another level, like in the astral level of the information field, like the bio field, that thought manifests as a thought form. And if there's a mental level aspect to it, say an intellectual aspect to it, then it's also manifesting on the mental planes as something else again. So any time you're thinking or feeling, you're generating these sort of thought forms.
And when thousands or millions of people come together and unite in a belief system that hones in on the same types of thought forms and beliefs, that is then creating like a landscape in the collective unconscious and creating beings and entities in the collective unconscious. And we know that they exist from many different people going and exploring, say, the astral planes and finding the belief system territories, as Robert Monroe called it, where people have literally manufactured the heavens, also known as hollow heavens, that they believed in while they were living on earth. And then they die and they go to these hollow heavens and they go, wow, I made it to heaven. I won the game. Like my religion was right. And then other beings have to come in and help them try to gradually understand that actually you're just in a temporary, almost like a holding sort of a stage and that there's actually an infinite universe out there waiting for them.
So, yeah, we are, and people talk about stuff like psychic attack and a lot of what's happening to people is not what they think is happening. I'm not saying all of it, but some of it is misunderstanding. And when you are, say, for example, when you think a hostile thought about somebody, again, there's a thought form that's created which rushes to or at that other person. And if they're psychically sensitive, they may experience that information that's coming at them as some kind of horrific monster or being or alien or whatever attacking them. And really, it's not a conscious process at all. It's unconscious. So we've got to be careful with what we believe in and invest in.
TruthTheory: Yeah.
Actually, I believe that often some of these encounters are with real beings that are in different densities or dimensions. And actually, I had quite a lot of these with psychedelics, for example.
One time, for example, I had a session on magic mushrooms where this female entity appeared and she was communicating with me for three hours, showing me my past lives and discussing some of the things about my life, which were very personal. So she obviously understood many things about me. And she was responding to my questions and things like that. And it was all telepathic. So I'll just think, ask questions and things like that.
And what's really interesting about it, as you said, maybe it could have been some kind of projection or whatever, maybe something from the previous collective unconscious manifestation or something like that. But towards the end of the session, this was a summer day, I went with my cousin in the mountains and he was completely dehydrated. And I actually drank all the water because I was so overwhelmed that I just didn't pay attention to him.
And at the end when it was fading, the mushrooms were kind of fading and we decided to start walking towards the hotel, which was like a hike down at least one hour or something. He said, I'm feeling weak. I think I'm going to pass out. You got to leave me here and go and get some water downstairs. And the moment he said that I just had to download. So I was told about a dream that I had before, two days before, three days before, where in the dream I was warned about this outcome.
So I actually had a dream like two, three days before the session that me and my cousin are going to split during the session and basically he's not going to come back to the hotel. So now when this happened, between the dream and session, I did not even know where I'm going to end up, which mountain, which area, because it was kind of, everything was picked on the go within like last two days or something. So it was kind of random.
And at the very end of the session, exactly the situation from the dream happened, where we decided to split and boom, I just get downloaded, remember about the dream, so I knew that it was a warning for us to not split. And then actually, so we did a breath work to get some energy up. It helped. I was able to walk with him down and we got lost anyway on the way. So if he would actually, if I would leave him or definitely he would get lost.
But this is what I had, these types of situations where I had precognition, let's say, with some very specific thing. And one out of a million chance, for example, with some other ones. And it happened. And sometimes it was like with being or whatever. So what do you think about that?
Brendan: Yes. For a start, these experiences, we know for a fact these experiences happen. Precognition is absolutely, absolutely a real thing. So, yeah, you're not talking to a sceptic at all in terms of that. People have the ability to know things that, according to materialism, they shouldn't know. But parapsychology has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that is a human capacity.
And it's more interesting when you start bringing other beings and entities into it because they represent a mystery that's not always solvable. So the question to me, it's worth living in the question of, well, what is that? What's that all about? Who is that? Is this a part of my own psyche? Is this a completely independently existing being, is it some sort of strange hybrid combination of the two? Who knows?
We do live in an ecology of not just the physical ecology, but we live in the psychological ecology of the astral and the mental. We have also the etheric plane, which is considered esoterically to be part of the physical matrix, but it's much more subtle. And that's literally a doppelganger of the earth, but a much bigger one. So you have a whole other etheric ecology of God knows how many different creatures and beings and whatever that live in there.
And we know that traditionally it's the realm of, what's the word, fairies or gnomes or elves or the nature spirits in general, right? And they live at the etheric density. And so sometimes people can tune into that or they can tune into us and manifest at a physical density level. So it's a zoo out there, man. There's always more questions than answers in a lot of ways.
[34:19] Astral, Densities and Base Reality
TruthTheory: So you think that these types of beings, they are in astral plane or this is more like fourth density? Because I've been hearing that this is astral is a little bit like fourth density or something like that. And like you said, in these planes, everything is more of a thought form. So if you have beliefs or whatever, you can actually create that or you get these egregore worlds or beings that are manifestation.
But some say that this is the base reality, which is the astral etheric, where is our soul or spirit. And then we enter into the physical. But the astral is the main one, right? So it's a little bit like you go to sleep and you're in the physical body. This is your main world. But when you're in the dream, you forgot and you think you're in that reality at the moment. But then you wake up and this is the real world. So it's a little bit like that. What do you think about that?
Brendan: Yeah, I think generally speaking, that's kind of on the right track. I've got a few different thought bubbles. There are different layers that we exist on, different density levels that we exist on, if we want to use that kind of languaging. And the astral is part of it. Then we have higher levels, higher planes or levels of the information field where we are, if you look at the research of Dr. Michael Newton and the other members of the institute that he formed, who have been working with thousands of people around the world to regress them into a deep theta state of hypnotic awareness. And then they tap into this higher self level of awareness, which does give them the ability to know the past life information and to relive parts of past lives they need to relive to heal and this kind of thing.
So that would represent, depending on which system you want to use, the buddhic level or the spiritual level or the causal level. The Theosophists tended to use causal, where the higher self so-called lives or resides and that's considered to be the immortal part of us that does survive between the different lifetimes.
Obviously we have to shed the physical body, the etheric body goes with it shortly afterwards, then we have to let go. Eventually we spend some time in the astral densities and then we let go of that and we have to move forward. And there's all these different sorts of realms and worlds that we get to experience and travel through along the way. It's so vast, the vastness of what we're actually participating in is absolutely beyond description or anyone's ability to really capture, I think.
[37:18] Defining the Higher Self
TruthTheory: And you mentioned higher self. But higher self, in my views, is not the same as the soul or spirit. And so there's a physical you, soul, which is now inside the body, maybe perhaps and like that, but then the higher self is kind of the future self or the most adverse version of yourself or something like that. How would you define the higher self?
Brendan: Yeah, that's a good question because everyone has their own language and mental model, right? So that's where I think there's a lot of confusion. For me, higher self is something maybe we could equate with the Oversoul, the so-called Oversoul Being. That, to me, is an equivalent concept. And I've gone into a lot of detail on that in book two because it really needs to be pulled apart and elaborated on.
So in one way, you could look at the higher self as a collective entity or collective being made up of all the different parts of us, the different lifetimes. Like Mike Sygula goes, when Mike Sygula crosses the border and crosses the veil and goes back into what we call the spirit world, he'll have the capacity to meet up with the other members of the Oversoul group that potentially represent past lives or other selves that we are continuing to travel with and experiment with.
So that's one way of looking at the higher self is this collective immortal entity that is not affected, not restricted by the space-time sort of limitations and the personalities. It's actually made up of the different personalities, but it's something kind of bigger and vaster than all of them, greater than the sum of the parts, if you want to put it that way.
[39:21] Current Research and the Second Book
TruthTheory: Yeah. Okay. So another thing I wanted to ask you, currently, what's the number one topic that your research or that really occupies your thinking or maybe in the last year or something like that? Is there anything that you're into? Currently, that you feel like it's fascinating or you want to understand better or maybe you already feel like you understand it well. Because some of the things we talked about, this is your work for the last couple of years or longer, right? But something maybe most recent.
Brendan: Well, yeah, I'm trying to finish this second book. The idea is to publish it this year. In a way, I've been kind of working on it for nearly 20 years, but that's been sort of my focus, for the last, I would say, since 2019, I came back to it and started really working on it again. And then I've got to the point now where I've got so much material.
So this is all focused on exactly what we were just talking about, the concept of death and dying, what happens on the other side of that, the spiritual world, past lives, the higher self, all of this stuff and just really getting a little bit deeper into it, digging into the esoteric side of things a little bit more.
There's some really great material floating around out there in the world of near-death research, near-death experiences. But most of it is, in that world, mostly collections of interesting stories or amazing experiences that people have had, but they don't build a framework for it, a sort of intellectual framework or a model that can accommodate that material and other material that's related to it. So I'm trying to build a bigger perspective and kind of build the foundations of a whole new paradigm rather than just going, hey, look at this awesome story. Well, this guy had an amazing experience, but let's dig into it some more. If we pull on that thread, what can we actually find out about it at a deeper level?
TruthTheory: Yeah, like what's the mechanism why this happens and things like that, right? Yeah. Like from a more scientific perspective, right?
Brendan: Yeah, and without being reductionist, excuse me. Excuse me. I couldn't hold that sneeze in. Yeah. So being kind of scientific about it, but not scientific and not reductionist, but approaching it from a rational, scientifically informed kind of a point of view, and then working with the esoteric material, which not a lot of people are really doing.
[42:31] Esoteric Wisdom From the Past
TruthTheory: Is there any particular esoteric wisdom from the past that you find really useful, interesting? Maybe hermetic teachings or some of these types of books or work from the past. Any particular thinker in the past who was influential?
Brendan: That's a big, broad question, man.
TruthTheory: You're mentioning people like, I think, Michael Newton, right? He's the modern researcher with past life case studies and things like that. But anything ancient. I think you said, when I was reading more about your book, your first one, you said something about the vibration or some of the things from quantum physics were in the past mentioned somewhere in mysteries or ancient teachings, right?
Brendan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[unclear]: Mystical. T-Shinks.
Brendan: Yeah. And there's a few things, the nature of quantum entities, what's going on there. I actually want to return to that when I get the time to, because I know there's some interesting stuff that needs to be pulled out.
But yeah, we've got material from people who lived in, say, the 1800s and early 1900s, who have the clairvoyant ability to look at atoms or subatomic particles. And that's been validated since then by biophysicists like Stephen Phillips. And that was one of the focuses of Chapter 6 in Book 1 because it was like, well, there's this very obscure book that's been published. No one's paying any attention to it. The Theosophists published it. But there was also another guy by the name of Babbitt who came before them. And he was drawing these pictures of vortex sort of structures. And then Leadbeater and Besant came along with their investigation and sort of followed on from that. And they were seeing these vortex structures, again, subatomic sort of level.
But back then nobody had a concept of, or any way to make sense of, what they were sharing. And it turned out that 30, 40 years later, they start developing string theory. And along comes Stephen Phillips in the, I think, the 80s. And he takes a detailed study of their work, their clairvoyant observations of subatonic, solution, excuse me, subatomic matter. And he verified it. He's saying, well, these are strings. This is what string theory is based on. They're seeing strings clairvoyantly. So, far beyond coincidence, his analysis is very detailed. But basically, we know that certain humans do have the capacity to see this stuff and verify it.
So it's interesting that string theory has got some support before it even existed. That's one thing that I found really interesting, interesting enough to build a chapter around it. But if you ask me a really open question, like what's been interesting or what's come out of the ancient world, I don't know what to latch on to. It's too broad.
[46:00] Hermetic Teachings and Vibration
TruthTheory: But you know about the hermetic philosophy, right? The hermetic teachings, you're familiar with some of this stuff?
Brendan: I think it depends on what you're referring to, but I think so, yeah.
TruthTheory: Because the one popular book that talks about hermetic philosophy is the Kybalion. And this, from what I understand, is not such an old book, because the other things are from the Emerald Tablet and Hermes Trismegistus and things like that. So this is ancient. But the Kybalion, from what I understand, is early 20th century or something. And you have this book which talks about these hermetic principles. That everything has polarity, that everything has male and female gender. But they also say that everything vibrates. And this is something that we know, as far as I'm aware, from quantum physics and stuff like that. But apparently this talks about the knowledge from thousands of years ago, which would mean that actually someone understood these things without modern science. Do you know anything about that?
Brendan: Yeah, I think, speaking broadly, a lot of those ideas have been around for a long, long time. Definitely. The sages out of India, they've been on to duality and vibration and the foundational interconnectedness of everything for centuries and centuries.
So all of that stuff, whether it's 1800s or 1800 BC, it's been around and there have been seers and rishis and gurus of all sorts, out of the Tibetan world, the Indian world, all around the place, people have produced that kind of insight and knowledge. And it's received, now that we're in the 20th, 21st century paradigm, we know that it's valid. We validate it. It's all true.
[48:23] Standout Guests
TruthTheory: Another thing I wanted to ask you, you obviously interviewed some really interesting people. And out of all those people, is there anyone that stands out? Or that really blew your mind, or maybe one of those people?
I was just checking your podcast with the guy who talks about Bosnian pyramids. That's interesting because from what I remember when I used to look into it, this massive pyramid in Bosnia was considered a natural formation for many years. And then this got debunked, that this is actually a man-made structure. So this is an interesting guy. I would like to actually interview him myself as well.
But maybe out of all those guests that you interviewed, can you think about someone who really stood out in your view, or you learned something mind-blowing or something like that? Or maybe a couple of those people?
Brendan: Yeah, everyone's been phenomenal, and I usually pick somebody based on having some kind of pre-exposure to, I've read their book or something, so I know what I'm dealing with. Ralph Ellis, in the realm of researching the actual true origins of the New Testament, the Old Testament, his research in that has been phenomenal. It's absolutely earth-shaking for people who are in the Orthodox paradigm. They don't like it one bit. So his work is fascinating, if people are interested in those aspects of history, which I am for sure. Here's what research there in religion.
Joseph Atwill is another one who's gone deep into the actual true origins of the Christian religion and how that came about, the New Testament in particular, where it came from. That's all very fascinating stuff. It just depends what you're interested in.
Samir Osmanagic with the Bosnian stuff, I think what he's been doing, beyond simply pointing out, hey, this is an artificial structure and this whole complex is artificial, he's taken the technology and invigorated it and he's actually applying the ideas and the information to creating an incredible, basically trying to build the new earth using that information that he's uncovered. So he's doing amazing work there. It's phenomenal. But yeah, there's a few names.
[51:06] Aliens and Biblical Studies
TruthTheory: So some of these guys that talk about biblical studies or Christianity, are they actually mentioning any aliens or all these things? Because some of these guys that I've been looking at say the Genesis or some of the stuff from the Bible, they talk about maybe extraterrestrial beings or these types of things. Is this something they were mentioning, or can you share a little bit more? If you remember?
Brendan: The guys that I've spoken to so far have not really been so much in that camp. I'm interested in pursuing that research because I find it interesting to see what I can pull out of it. I don't necessarily subscribe to the ancient alien kind of idea. I'm not against it either, but I think it's something that needs a lot more research and connecting of dots.
Mauro Biglino is a guy who is a translator of multiple languages and he's been doing massive research into that material in the Old Testament in particular, and how we ended up with the belief system we've got now, where did it come from? For example, he talks about the word Elohim. It's generally regarded as being, firstly, we know it's a plural term. It refers to something plural, more than one being, but it's been translated as the gods. But he's pointing out that actually we don't know what it translates to. We don't even know what it's referring to.
So we've gone from El, the singular god, Yahweh, which is really nonsense, because Yahweh is not a universal God at all. It's a local tribal God. To believing in then, well, Elohim, it's a plural. There's many of them. There's multiple of them. And then he's going, well, we don't know what that means. We don't know what the word means. So stop calling it the gods or God, and let's try to figure it out. And if we can't figure it out, we're just going to have to admit that we don't know what the hell that's talking about, which is a very uncomfortable position for a lot of people, especially people who are not used to uncertainty, because it's a very destabilizing thing.
So I want to get more into his stuff because he actually takes more of an ancient alien type of perspective. He is deliberately doing research with a literal interpretation of events. So he's saying, okay, we need to look at it literally as happening. And I think that needs to be considered. And maybe we can figure out from there, if we take it seriously, maybe we learn something new. Maybe it doesn't quite pan out like that.
Because for me, I've looked at a lot of this material and a lot of the contact experiences people in the Bible had with angels or God or whatever. You can interpret most of that in terms of altered states of consciousness, like a psychedelic type experience. Somebody has had a very altered state of reality, obviously.
[54:22] Biblical Visions as Altered States
Brendan: I'm forgetting the guy's name now, but Joseph or somebody, I'm having a mental blank now, but not Jesus. One of these major characters having an experience of seeing angels going up and down a so-called ladder. And there's Enoch. Enoch's experience is huge. That's a big one. And Enoch's thing, that's one of the ones that you can look at and go, okay, how do we interpret this? And one of the ways is in a little bit more of a nuanced, subtle way. This is one thing that most people are not doing in this space, looking at it in terms of altered states of consciousness.
TruthTheory: Yeah, we had an article on my website long ago. I think it was Moses when he received the commandments or something, that there was this bush that was psychedelic in that region or something, and there is a speculation that he was on psychedelics, actually. That's why he had an altered state. Who knows?
Brendan: Yeah, right, right. And that's an important experience. People talk about the burning bush. It's famous. Most people who aren't Christians have at least heard of that. But how do you have a burning bush where the leaves are not burnt? How is that possible unless maybe he's experiencing a slightly altered state of reality, or something else, some other intelligence is making itself present at his level of reality by creating a kind of holographic illusion to get his attention and have some kind of interaction. Obviously, there's a problem if the bush is burning, but the leaves aren't damaged. There's something that we need to look into a little bit more.
And I just wanted to quickly try to see if I could dig up this. I did have an article on Substack about one of these types of biblical experiences where the guy has this profound contact with, let me see if I can figure it out here. That was one of the very first articles I posted. I'll see if I can quickly find it, mate. I'm just blanking on the name, whether it was Enoch or one of the other major sort of Old Testament figures.
Should be able to find it pretty fast.
TruthTheory: Ezekiel, that's the one.
Brendan: Ezekiel. So Ezekiel has this amazing vision. He's taken up into some other world, the heavens. And a lot of this stuff harks back to... We see similar types of things being talked about in Australian Aboriginal culture. They had an old man with a beard in the sky long before any Christians ever did.
The one I was trying to remember earlier was the Jacob experience, so Jacob in the Old Testament. He's lying, he spends the night in a field outside of Haran, and he lies down to sleep. The Bible tells us he had a shalom, which, again, we have to figure out what the interpretation of the word is, if we even know what it means. And in that context, basically, it seems to mean that he entered into a state of peace or tranquility, in other words, an altered state of consciousness.
And that's really, that to me is the key. That's the giveaway there is the fact that he was in a hypnopompic state where we start to encounter the bleed through of, say, the etheric planes or the astral planes. And that is what we need to kind of focus on when the clues tell us to. That's an indication right there, the fact that he had a shalom, an altered state of consciousness.
And then he sees, Jacob sees the ladder. Reaching heavenwards and angels busily going up and down it. And so he's awed by this. He's blown away. And it's possible that he was actually in a location that had a particular kind of energy to it. Or maybe he was on a stone structure or something nearby, maybe a small pyramid or something, a step pyramid. Not really sure. But something that encouraged that kind of altered experience.
Whereas you look at Zechariah Sitchin talking about this stuff and he interprets the so-called Lord's abode as being a type of UFO. And he thinks the ladder is a mechanical device. It's a very dubious interpretation and Sitchin's kind of popularized the ancient aliens thing, but he made a lot of mistakes in the process. And unfortunately, a lot of people aren't aware of that.
A lot of the biblical texts are vague enough as well that you can interpret it virtually however you like. And Sitchin got away with a lot of dodgy stuff. So, yeah, there are other experiences like with Elijah and other prophets as well that we could get into. Ezekiel was another one I think you mentioned. But, yeah, that's kind of the general idea.
[59:47] Archangels
TruthTheory: Okay. It's also interesting that some of these archangels, they have their names start with... Or end with L, same like L or him, like Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, things like that. Do you think there is some kind of meaning behind it? What do you think about Archangels?
Brendan: That's a can of worms. Did you look into it at all?
I think it's one of these things that... Again, I often, when I'm looking at any kind of subject like this, I find that people aren't taking it seriously enough and trying to get back to the roots of the concept. If we talk about archangels, if we follow the word back, where does that word come from in a biblical context or, you know, linguistically, let's trace it back through time and find what the origin point of it is so that we're not just projecting our kind of modern ideas onto this stuff.
Because there's a whole Christian hierarchy of angels and archangels. And then you go to look at, well, how did that come about? Where did that actually originate from? Was it people having weird altered states of consciousness? Was it something theologians just made up? Is it a mixture of the two?
So for me, Archangels is one of those kind of mystery areas where I haven't spent enough time on it. You can only do so many things in a 24-hour day. But it's one of those things where I would encourage people to go try to get back to the roots of it rather than just operating at the kind of surface level, taking things at face value.
[1:01:33] AI and Transhumanism
TruthTheory: Okay. What about AI and transhumanism? Do you have any thoughts on that? What do you think about this area?
Brendan: Oh, man, you got to go there. Okay.
I think, firstly, the thing that I notice is AI is not actually very intelligent. It's pretty dumb. If you've ever had a chat with ChatGPT or something, you can see pretty quickly how obviously not intelligent it is. You're just dealing with a piece of programming and software. I remember Ralph Ellis has shared some pretty entertaining exchanges he's had with ChatGPT on his Facebook account.
So when you look at that kind of stuff, I'm like, okay, if people are concerned about it becoming like intelligent and self-aware like we are, well, it's not. And it doesn't really show any indication that it's going to be, at least not the way that we are. I don't think it's the same kind of... beast, so to speak. It's not the same kind of entity.
And I know there are people who've been out there who've had like their 15 minutes of fame and really pushed the idea that we're kind of going into like a potential war situation or a Terminator type scenario where the AI is going to take over and be out of control and this kind of thing. And I've never really bought into that kind of thinking.
I read an interesting book by, what's his name, Jonathan, I'm going to forget his last name now. It was called A New World, Jonathan. Anyway, A New World by Jonathan something, I'm having a blank on that, but he actually explained quite well why it's not going to happen. It's not going to evolve into a self-aware sentient kind of thing. And he was quite convincing in making his case. Putting it in simple terms, it's not the same type of thing. It probably doesn't have the capacity to turn into like a human conscious mind, at least as we are familiar with it.
And I find the stupidity of ChatGPT, for instance, to be pretty reassuring because it's obviously not intelligent and not self-aware and really pretty dumb.
TruthTheory: Yeah, for me, I'm not maybe so much concerned about like that it's going to become a self-aware thing, super conscious thing that's going to turn against us. But I'm more thinking, first of all, like these things grow exponentially. There have been these predictions like 10 years ago about 2024, more or less, that there's going to be progress and things like that. So the faster, the farther it gets, the quicker the change.
So if people like Ray Kurzweil, he apparently was super accurate with his predictions over the last 30 plus years with specific timelines and dates. And he talks about 40s, 40-something, 45 as the singularity period, which would mean that then AI computing power grows so fast that we would not be able to comprehend it with biological brains. And then we would have to upgrade ourselves and merge maybe to be able to understand it and things like that. So I'm thinking more like the timelines when it would get really crazy, maybe 10 to 20 years, taking into account the exponential growth.
But maybe not so much worrying about, oh, it's just going to become this supreme self-aware intelligence, but more that it can be used for negative purposes, and especially when it gets to transhumanism and using microchips like... Neuralink, which is what Elon Musk is developing, things like that, where we have access to it, connected to your biology, and then you have corporation on top of it that we know these corporations are not trustworthy and things like that.
And this can be abused in many different ways from just the fact that they have access to... everything you think, you do, all your emotions, desires, everything, which can be used for negative purposes. Let's say like in China, for example, they would love to have something like that.
And also it's another issue. I see some people think, why would you worry about that? Some people are not going to have these technologies, so you're going to be one of those people. But as society progresses, certain things become norms, like smartphones now or laptops or computers. And if enough people start using that, then this becomes norm as well. So you kind of are forced to be part of it or you're not going to live in society.
So these are kind of some of my concerns, especially when I see that it's developing, it's moving. They're already testing Neuralink on humans and things like that. So what do you think?
Brendan: Yeah, when you talk about Neuralink, I'm not a huge fan of the idea. As you said, the corporations that are going to be involved in this stuff, they haven't earned a lot of trust. Even if I trusted or liked, say, Elon Musk, to me the idea of putting something inside my skull or in my brain, something so invasive, it's like, well, if I change my mind, how do I get it out? How do I reverse it? Who's going to do that?
Yeah, I just don't think it's a good idea putting technology into people at this point in time, because even when people get like their cats or dogs microchipped, then we start finding out that the animals are getting tumours where the chip's been inserted and all this kind of stuff. So it's like, well, obviously, there's a health risk at just a basic level, like there's a health problem. So why would you run the risk of... implanting this in your brain of all things?
TruthTheory: Yeah, I think that it's interesting to consider where we're going to go with this kind of technology. And like you talked about trying to keep up with the evolution of the AI and this kind of thing and how will we interface with it. Yeah, that's a real unknown to me.
Brendan: And I like to think that there's a rising tide of awareness at the moment. And I think there's an increasing kind of like tapping into, while the corporate world is still pretty demented, we all know about like how messed up it is, but I think there's an increasing maybe infiltration of a more conscious awareness into those places as well, hopefully, which will take over and guide things in the right direction.
Because, yeah, the AI can be used. Like you said, China would love that type of a setup, thought monitoring, thought control, thought crime, the precogs like in Minority Report, now you're being dragged away for a thought that you had and a crime you didn't commit yet. It's all of that stuff, it's like a huge sort of slippery slope. I wouldn't want to go there. I wouldn't want to put myself in a position where you're vulnerable like that. So, yeah, I don't know. Who knows where it's going to go?
[1:09:53] Shift in Consciousness and Ascension
TruthTheory: What do you think about the shift in consciousness or moving to the new age, 4D, 5D, Ascension? What do you think about all this stuff?
Brendan: Yeah, it's not language that I use.
TruthTheory: So what language do you use to describe it?
Brendan: Yeah, I think that there is definitely a shift that's happening and it seems like it's accelerating. I think we're just in a time where the acceleration of change is exponential across the board.
So, yeah, we are having a conscious awareness increase on one level, and a lot of that's partly to do with the fact that people are being squeezed and pushed and bullied. The last four years has woken a lot of people up. So it's sort of like, well, if you don't choose to wake up of your own accord, then something has to kind of push you. You need to be squeezed a little bit. And that's the dark forces, if you want to use that term. They're helping to wake a lot of people up in the process of doing what they're doing. So, yes, it's an interesting time of change.
I don't know at what point we're going to cross the threshold into really systemic change where we're like, okay, as an example, we end the Fed or something like that, we get rid of the debt-based system or we finally unleash all the free energy technology that's been buried for decades and use that, because that would completely change the face of our existence. So there's all these potentialities waiting in the wings.
And I think, as each day goes by and more and more people wake up and choose to not play the Matrix sort of games anymore, that nudges us collectively further in the direction of these other more positive timelines that people like to talk about.
[1:12:05] Dark Forces, Archons and Hidden Groups
TruthTheory: Do you think there is some kind of group behind all the dark things? Do you think this is only on the human level, like the Illuminati, Secret Societies, Shadow Governments, all these things? Or do you think it goes deeper into archons, reptilians, whatever? What do you think about that?
Brendan: It's interesting. I think it's a menagerie. I think it's a zoo. It's a combination of lots of stuff. And the tendency is, as always, we always want to simplify things. We always want to have a definite answer. And when you go into that world, there really aren't a lot unless you are actually inside that world having the experiences directly. And even then.
We have such a huge amount of people now who've had contact experiences with other types of beings or entities. I don't know the nature of all those beings or entities or how it came about, but there's just so many unknowns in that space. And I forget what your original question was. I know I haven't said anything useful yet.
TruthTheory: No, I was just saying. They believe in these malevolent groups like Illuminati. If they really run the world, they have some negative intentions, bad intentions, or do you think it goes even deeper and there are multidimensional beings on top of them, manipulating them or something like Archonic, Reptilian, things like that.
Brendan: I think it's a mix. I think, honestly, there's probably these etheric or astral types of beings that hook into people for their own purposes. Usually those types of demonic entities, or people have reported the reptilians. They are essentially harvesting low-frequency emotional energy. And so their intention is to keep pushing us and provoking us into producing more of it so they have a food supply.
I've had interesting conversations with people. One of them was a guy who is a government employee, works for ASIO. That's an Australian branch of government. And he's been, for decades, in the space where he was actually part of an operation, and as far as I know, still is involved, where they would go out into remote places in Australia and retrieve crashed UFO type craft. I've had conversations with him where he talks about the reptilians as a physical presence, a physical race, taking up water from certain lakes in certain areas, parts of New South Wales and what have you.
So there's that aspect to it. Then there's the more woo-woo astral side of it, which is harder, maybe harder to pin down. I know a lot of people talk about these beings on a very physical level as well, and I don't dismiss that. At the same time, you have numerous satanic cults, covens all around the world interested in their own agendas. Some of them seem to be on the same page pushing the same agendas. But when you talk to insiders, you hear about competing interests, and one group's not necessarily on the same page as the other group.
It's not just this one big sort of monolithic, neat, tidy, unified conspiracy. It's not just team conspiracy. There's so many different aspects to it, different dimensions to it. It's very, very hard to pin down. So I think it's more complex than a lot of people would like to have to deal with because it's a mess.
TruthTheory: Yeah, I think the same. Actually, during my sessions, I was being explained quite a lot of this stuff with hierarchies, and I had encounters with some very, very nasty beings. So apparently, it gets very complex. Actually, there are many groups working together, some against each other, power fights, things like that. Not everything goes according to plan and all these things. So. Definitely think it's very complex. Very often it is like that with most things, as you said.
[unclear]: Yeah. People like to think in simplistic terms.
[1:16:45] Living in the Question
Brendan: Yeah, and that's one of the things I think we've got to let go of. If we can be comfortable enough in ourselves that we are okay with not knowing the answers all the time, and just living in the question and being curious, but not being attached to the need for some kind of certainty or a definite answer, then that's actually a much healthier place to live in.
And the opposite, the antithesis of that is the fundamentalist Christians who think they have all the answers and that everybody who doesn't agree with them is the devil or a slave of Satan or something. That's the extreme absurd example of somebody who has taken their need for simplicity and certitude to absurd lengths. So for people who want to be more functional and intellectually free and able to take on new ideas and information and be adaptable, you want to live in the question a little more.
TruthTheory: Yeah, or the other types are a lot of these skeptical scientists, like you said, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, who laughs at every topic from astrology to crystals, but he never researched any of these topics. So this is the problem that I see. But yeah, this is how the world works these days, unfortunately. There's always a huge audience for something stupid.
Brendan: Yeah, this is the biggest audience. You just look at how many people follow Kardashians.
TruthTheory: Yeah, don't remind me, man.
[1:18:33] New Book and Offerings
Brendan: Yeah.
TruthTheory: Okay. Anyway, before we're gonna finish off, is there anything you wanted to add?
Brendan: You can ask me anything you want. I'm happy to chat about whatever before we wrap up.
TruthTheory: Yeah, no, tell us about, like you said, you were working on the new book. Is it gonna happen soon or still in, it's gonna take some time?
Brendan: Yeah, I'm trying to finish it really. I've got so much material, I actually have to cull a whole bunch of it and get rid of a bunch of material. It's too big. The first book was 665 pages. This one will probably be more like 700, seven something. So yeah, it's a little bit too much and I've realised, okay, I've got material here that's actually book three material. So take that out, take that out. And hopefully we'll have it done later in the year and people can access it. I actually do have a link for a wait list, which I can send you for people who want to be notified when it is actually ready. I can let them know.
TruthTheory: And in terms of things you offer, like you said, you have a SAP stack membership. Can you tell us what you have on offer or services you offer or products or anything?
Brendan: Yeah, I'll give you a quick rundown so people can follow my Substack. All the writing is generally free there. For the deeper dive, the reality explorers who really want more information and are interested in all the different subjects I am, membership in the Truthiversity is very cheap. So for info on that, just go to truthiversity.com.
And I actually still am working with people inside a program called Evolve Yourself, which is kind of a transformational container. There's an explanatory video at evolveyourself.live and it's not a coaching program. It's not a one-on-one thing. It'll be explained in that masterclass, which is free. But yes, it's a transformational container and I'll probably stopped taking in new students at the end of this year. So for people who are interested in doing that kind of work, it's very interesting. I'll explain it in the masterclass.
Other than that, you can grab my first book at brendandmurphy.com slash TGI. And I think that's, that's probably most of the things I should mention.
[1:21:08] Closing
TruthTheory: All right. Okay. Thank you for the conversation, Brendan. And we're going to share all the links. And yeah, thanks for joining me. Until next time.
Brendan: Thank you. It's a pleasure, man. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.