The Conscious Society
Brendan D. Murphy: Create Greater Degrees of Freedom
Brendan Murphy discusses creating greater degrees of personal freedom — sovereignty, personal evolution, and the conscious society.
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[0:23] Introduction to Brendan and His Work
Phillip: Outro. Hi guys and girls, I'm your host Phillip J. Watt and welcome to the Redesigning Society podcast.
Today's guest is Brendan D. Murphy who is a personal friend of mine, a fellow Aussie and a fellow seeker of the truth on so many different levels. We really do connect in some pretty kindred ways so I really do respect Brendan and his work as well as his partner's work and I'm really excited to bring this conversation with Brendan to you guys today.
Brendan is an author, a presenter, a DNA activator, a musician, a humanitarian and just a general truth seeker and a disseminator of information out into the greater grid. He describes himself as having a compassionate heart, a keen intellect, he's deeply spiritual and he's a no-bulls*** humanitarian with a genuine disdain for political correctness. Which a lot of us, I'm sure, could agree with.
He advocates what he calls a broad spectrum awareness, meaning a big picture, well-rounded, multi-faceted worldview, the results of years of study connecting the dots, as opposed to 10 minutes on Wikipedia. And you'll find that through Brendan's work, he's quite cheeky. He will be very direct and very compassionate about the information that he's presenting. But he likes to put a nice humorous spin on it at times and bring a little bit of light, bit of humor to this crazy, insane asylum we call humanity at the start of the 21st century.
So a big kudos to Brendan and his work and a big kudos to his partner, Aimee Devlin, as well. These guys created the Global Freedom Movement. Website, Podcasts and University. You can check out all of that at GlobalFreedomMovement.org and on the usual social media platforms. The podcast really does have some high-profile, well-informed guests, so I really encourage you to go check that one out. And if you're keen to undertake an educational or re-educational process, through the Global Freedom University, you can inquire and go on the wait list to become a student through their platform.
But in any case, these guys are truly genuine hearted, really inspiring, really empowered people. And they do offer an energy to this world, which we really all should be encouraged by and aspire to replicate in our own unique way.
[2:54] The Grand Illusion
Phillip: I should give a shout out for Brendan's book as well. It's called The Grand Illusion, a synthesis of science and spirituality, described on Amazon as synthesizing the paranormal with today's hard science, seeking to initiate a dramatic re-empowering of humanity.
You will no longer consider yourself just a powerless little meek computer, destined for total annihilation at life's biological end. That outmoded worldview is firmly buried by the material set out within. Here, new and expansive beasts of possibility are laid bare. The forces and energies produced by our consciousness that act on the world around us are blown open for your understanding.
Did you know that modern neuroscience considers the brain as a receiver of consciousness rather than the generator of it? Get ready for an introduction to the mysterious fifth force known to science, a virtually unshootable carrier wave of consciousness that can travel at speeds far exceeding light.
With the knowledge that we are incredible and immortal spiritual beings temporarily inhabiting a dream-like multidimensional holographic reality, we can indeed begin to turn life on this planet, which for many is a virtual nightmare, into the grand illusion. Are you ready to meet yourself?
So Brendan's book really has received really positive feedback. One of which is by Sol Luckman, author of Potentiate Your DNA. And he wrote a masterpiece. If The Grand Illusion were merely paradigm-destroying, which it certainly is for regard scientific funder materialists, it would be a satisfying read. Fortunately, for those of us dedicated to establishing a new civilization of consciousness, Brendan Murphy's fascinating, inspiring and seminal work also opens the door to a world of new creative possibilities. The Grand Illusion is mind-blowing.
So if you're interested in ordering The Grand Illusion, you can do it through Amazon or maybe just through Brendan's website. I'm not sure if it's easier or more profitable for him to do it through that process. So have a look at his website. Here's Aimee's website, globalfreedommovement.org.
[5:07] Previewing the Conversation and Sign-Off
Phillip: I appreciate you pressing play to listen to our conversation. It might trigger a few people. We talk about the dogmatism of even those within the Truth and Freedom Network and some of the opportunities and challenges that we face within our present moment. So it's quite a free-flowing conversation. We had no real agenda, just two guys with a similar thirst for knowledge and helping to emancipate ourselves and society at large from the control system of the 21st century.
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And look forward to keep bringing you some really good progressive chats around what's going on in our world today. Peace.
[6:25] Meeting at the Freedom Summits
Phillip: Thanks for joining me on the RS Podcast, Brendan D. Murphy.
Brendan: Thanks for having me, mate. We've been talking about putting this discussion together for a little bit of time, so I'm glad we finally got there.
Phillip: Yeah, we almost got there in person but not quite. We're having to do it remotely.
Brendan: Yes, we did meet, what was that? Was it the Freedom Summits up at Byron Bay?
Phillip: It was. That was well over a year ago now, wasn't it? Well, I was very grateful to meet yourself and Aimee. In the pre-interview just now, you talked about us singing the same tune on many levels and I absolutely believe that is true. It's great to connect with people that really do see objectively and not get lost in too much dogma and bias around what is going on in the world today. So I think we are kindred spirits in a way or two.
[7:26] Dogmatism in the Conscious Community
Brendan: Yeah, man, for sure. For sure. That's one of the things actually. Well, speaking of dogma, that's one of my gripes lately about the so-called conscious community. We're seeing more and more as we test, just put little bits and pieces out there, like ask a question on Facebook or something like that and see what kind of a response you get. And we're just seeing, we're shocked actually and a little bit dismayed at how dogmatic and stuck a lot of our community actually is. So I'm hoping that maybe it'll help shake the rust off the minds and break some chains here during the chat somehow as we go.
Phillip: And what ways do you think, what are the more prominent ways that people are stuck in dogmatic positions?
[8:11] Cryptocurrency and Fixed Attitudes
Brendan: Well, the thing that's on my radar lately is I've been exploring, me and Aimee have been exploring the cryptocurrency thing. And we just put little bits and pieces out there to see how people react to it and what their attitudes are. Aimee and I apparently are a very strange breed because we don't have fixed belief structures, we don't have fixed attitudes, we're not dogmatic, what we practise is an informed cognitive fluidity and we'll change our perspective based on good information and actual rational points of view and thinking.
So we've been putting it out there and just seeing how people go and it's like, okay, so there's this thing called, as an example, Bitcoin and the crypto space in general. And I just noticed that a lot of our community has an attitude and they stick to their attitude regardless of whether or not they've investigated it, whether or not they've got good information, whether or not they have a leg to stand on, they stick with the attitude. And it's like every piece of information that comes in to them subsequently will get filtered through that lens, through that attitude. And instead of responding to it adaptively and intelligently and flexibly, it just gets dismissed in line with their preconceptions. And I find that to be quite disappointing coming from the so-called truth community.
So I think we've got to pull our socks up a bit in terms of being a bit more adaptable and not blindly accepting of something new that comes along, but at least able to recognise. [section omitted] I'm not going to pay. I'm not going to study that. I'm not going to give that the time of day.
And it's like, well, we're in this. Humanity is in this process of unfolding and we could say evolving but I'm not entirely comfortable with saying we're evolving. I think we're evolving and devolving at the same time. Some of us are definitely evolving and many of us are definitely evolving.
Phillip: Yeah, yeah.
Brendan: So I'm seeing that pattern of that dualistic process and I think we should look at process a bit more and say, okay, well, we want to get somewhere. We want to get to living on a planet where we actually have freedom and living on a planet where we actually can all be abundant and just live our lives and get along. We can't just flick a switch or wave a wand and make it happen overnight. It's a process to get there.
And I'm just noticing people are dropping the ball and they're not recognising certain opportunities in the short to midterm that would actually make their own lives easier for a start, but actually might help us collectively get to where we say we want to go. And it's because they've got these fixed attitudes and ideas about stuff and I'm seeing people wasting opportunities because they think they know, based on a paradigmatic outlook, when really they don't know and they haven't investigated enough or they've overlooked certain elements and all they're seeing is the darkness and the conspiracy that they're projecting onto something. And I see that happen a lot with crypto.
And I'm not here to say that cryptocurrency is just wonderful and it's the be-all and end-all and it's the final solution or anything like that because obviously it's already on the radar of the elites and they're already trying to respond to it and trying to curb the freedom that it represents. So I'm not black and white about it. It's just a matter of pragmatism. What works today might not work tomorrow. The opportunity we have today or for the next six months might not be there seven or eight months later. So it's just about being adaptable and not dogmatic, I think.
[12:20] Missed Opportunities in the Truth and Freedom Network
Phillip: Well, I think it's very pragmatic to make a bit of money in the crypto world right now, regardless if it is a centralized, a pseudo freedom system. Because a lot of millionaires have been made over the last few years, particularly over the last year with the cryptocurrency market.
But as we were talking about in the pre-interview, I'm a bit dismayed by the dogmatism also, as well as the lack of opportunities that the independent media and alternative thinkers are not capitalizing on, which is the process of unifying over particular principles of sovereignty and abundance and authenticity and some several other key concepts that could really bring a bit more clarity to the mainstream world about what we're actually representing, what the Truth and Freedom Network really is about, as well as attract more people into considering what freedom truly is and what it means to be free in this day and age and what is contemporary slavery on many levels and how are we enslaved economically, ideologically and even physically in some cases.
So I absolutely agree. There's lots of opportunities being missed. There's lots of people being led down false rabbit holes or leading themselves down false rabbit holes or their multiple tunnels of untruth. And it's created this very unique atmosphere where people just want to think they've got the answers. And it's ridiculous.
When it comes to people saying, oh, if you've just got to resonate with information or if you intuitively feel it, you go with your gut feeling, you're going to be right. And let's just face it, there's probably half the amount of people with one gut feeling and the other half with the other gut feeling. And they both think they're right. And as it turns out, one's probably not. And so we can talk about intuition all the time. And it's great to be an intuitive empath or a more rational empath, actually. But it's great to tap into our instinct and intuition. But let's face it, we're wrong a lot of the time too. Some less than others, some more than others. So it's important to be open.
To the information, as you said, that is being saturated in all areas and all disciplines in this day and age. And to come to a strict, concrete decision about a particular truth, including examples such as Trump's motives. [section omitted] Then he may have some other motives underneath that we have no idea about, that very few people have any idea about.
And the same thing goes with cryptos. There are basically three positions on it at the moment. One is, it'll save us. It is a decentralized monetary system that will release us from the toxic enslavement grip of the bastard Banksters. Then there's another one that says, yeah, it's that, but they're going to hijack it in some way and you may as well capitalize on it now before they do. [section omitted] And it's fair, there's probably an argument or evidence that all three of those are true. So which one's right, Brendan? You know what I mean?
And yeah, I hope that I reflected your point as you meant it, because it is very true. I find it very disappointing myself, and it's one of the reasons why I've taken a bit of a backseat over 2017. I really tried to learn more and find my own centre and find my own power more and more and go through my own rebirths. I've gone through huge changes energetically over this year. And instead of coming to any strict conviction on how I feel about or how I think about or how I believe about what's going on in the world, I've really tried to stay objective. In saying that, we all have our beliefs and we all have our bias too, don't we?
[17:04] Being Aware of Your Biases
Brendan: Exactly, exactly. So the point is, be aware of your biases. It's such a pragmatically useful tool to have, to be able to sit back and self-reflect and go, oh, here's this thought process I've got. Here's this belief I've got. Here's how I see this. And just be able to step back from it and go, I don't have to be wedded to that. That's not my identity. And I can just shift. I can just be fluid.
So it'd be great if we had more of our community practising that sort of self-aware fluidity. And then we could have better exchanges, particularly in social media. Facebook invites a lot of very hostile kind of exchanges, and we could do away with a lot of that if we ditched the hubris and weren't so full of ourselves and our own opinions and viewpoints, and just offered information without an agenda attached to it. If you don't have an axe to grind, it's much easier to communicate with people and it's a lot more pleasant to just have a chat like this, where you're just sharing a perspective and you're not trying to sell me into Bitcoin and I'm not trying to sell you into such and such, and I'm not trying to make you wrong and you're not trying to make me wrong.
It's just we've got these two little human minds, and we exist in a world that consists of an infinite amount of information. We're going to be infinitely ignorant for as long as we exist, because there's always more information being generated than we can ever keep up with. So if we could just embrace our ignorance, even though the most intelligent, knowledgeable people in the world are still, in the grand scheme of things, infinitely ignorant. If we're going to embrace that, and then embrace uncertainty and not knowing the future, just being aware of not knowing.
You get the platonic double ignorance, which is really dangerous, where people don't know what they don't know and they're just completely blind. But if you can take the next step into knowing what you don't know and just being aware of your blind spots, aware of your limitations and where you've got blinkers on, that's very, very helpful. And it's quite humbling as well. So you're not always coming from the perspective of I'm right and you're wrong.
[19:26] Teaching How to Think
Phillip: Yes, well said. It reminded me of that meme that's been sent around probably millions of times, which is we should teach kids not what to think, but how to think. How many times has that been shared on social media by both those who consider themselves as part of the conscious expansion community and those who are just mainstream thinkers and who are stuck into officialdom? But you've got to apply it in your own life.
[19:59] Changing Yourself Before the World
Brendan: Yeah, this is absolutely integral. In the pre-interview, I mentioned that quote by Rumi again, which is, first I was clever and I wanted to change the world, then I was wise and I wanted to change myself.
And I don't think many people at all are really doing the hard yards, making the sacrifices, being consistent, being ongoingly persistent and rewiring themselves neurologically and redesigning themselves conceptually in reference to greater health on all the levels: physical, mental, psychological, philosophical, sexual, emotional, behavioural, creative health, relationship health. All those layers of health need to be dissected and taken seriously to find some sort of holistic balance in our lives, if we're ever going to represent to the world something that is honourable and authentic and a true statement against the toxicity that permeates our world today.
Phillip: So I 100% agree. I think it's really important that we do step back. Take a good long hard think about that idea, that there's things that we don't know that we don't know. As you were saying, there's things that we're never going to have. And I love that way you described it actually, infinitely ignorant. Well, let's just take it maybe down. Just infinitely ignorant minus a few things you might be aware of.
Brendan: Which are contingent.
Phillip: Which are contextual, exactly. Exactly.
[21:39] Next Steps for the Network
Phillip: So go outside the construct and there's a whole new way of designing or connecting with truth. But yeah, so that's certainly our next step as a Network, is to really do the hard work to get involved locally as well. That's one of the major aspects of the work we have to do, especially if we're part of a pretty established community. We've been around for a while. It's important we connect up with our community groups. But it's also important we play on the net stage, the informational web stage, and try and provide a little bit more information.
Share that information to the world, but do it in a way that is respectful and invites the people to think about what the information is to potentially learn. Because if you go ahead and just say, right, f*** you, here's the truth. Suck it up, b****. Do you think they're going to really listen? As soon as you go into a debate, into a position of condemnation, the barriers come up. People don't want to know. They're going to write it off, as you said, through their own ideological prison, and they'll just be able to justify it because they were abused in the process as well, if you know what I mean.
So it's important that we do deliver this information, present information in a way that is fair and respectful, regardless if people are showing some pretty serious issues with their ignorance and potential arrogance.
[23:22] Transformation Starts at Home
Brendan: Yeah, I agree with you that it'd be good if more of our community did look to start the process of changing the world with changing themselves first. It's almost a bit of a cop-out in a way to go out there trying to convince people of this or that and wake them up and shake them awake, and do all that without starting at home. It's like they say, charity starts at home. Well, so does transformation. We have to do that work on ourselves. And if we do, we're much more effective in the broader world when it comes to creating change.
Because I've said this before, you can't give the world something that you don't have yourself. So if you haven't cultivated, say, your non-attachment to outcomes of interactions with people, or if you haven't cultivated that sense of self-confidence and security without having a superiority complex about it, if you haven't done that work, you're going to be really hamstrung and limited in terms of your ability to move people and impact them, because they see. You'll only get so far by putting on a show, which is what a lot of our communities do. And people in general are just doing this all over social media, just putting on a show, showing up what they think people want to see, putting up the happy snaps and all this kind of thing. And trying to change the world through creating an image that they think is going to be appealing to people.
If you haven't done that work, then you're going to be very limited. At the end of the day, you'll attract basically more or less the level of authenticity that you bring to the table yourself, I guess.
Phillip: So like you said, we really need to start doing that work for ourselves. It's like David Icke said, most people are looking at the world, trying to change the external world instead of themselves. And he called it combing the mirror. Instead of combing your own hair, combing the mirror.
Brendan: I like that. That's what most of us get sucked into doing because, you do pragmatically. You've got to act in the world. And you have to do it from an intelligent, informed point of view, but you can't do it as an egotistical narcissist. You can't do it as a broken down, damaged human being. You have to do it from a sort of whole, healed, and if you can manage it, humble kind of a place, and then you'll be a little bit more effective in the long run.
And people respond to that. Especially, we're all at different stages in our own journeys. People like you and me who are quite grounded and pragmatic, we see right through all that fluffy bulls*** and manufactured sort of persona. So in the end, it doesn't fly and these people fall by the wayside, I think.
[26:22] Rumi's Quote and the Long Road of Self-Healing
Phillip: Yeah, absolutely. I think you summed it up well with the quote. The adage that came to mind when you were talking then was, if you can't love yourself, how are you meant to love another? So you can apply that on so many levels. If you don't know yourself, how are you meant to know the world? If you don't connect with yourself, how are you meant to connect with the world? 100% agree.
And going back to Rumi's quote, as I mentioned in the pre-interview again, not only are we clever to change the world, the quote goes, first I was clever, I want to change the world, then I was wise, I want to change myself. I would add to that, as we've been discussing, and then I was both clever and wise and I want to change both myself and the world.
And obviously we don't get to some perfect, whole, perfectly healthy beingness. It is a journey of ongoing health and growth and development and all the rest of it. But we certainly need to do our best to find some sort of equilibrium through our journey. And if we haven't got there, because it takes many years. I went through depression for nearly a decade in my teenage and young adulthood. It took me at least five years, and I'm talking about when I was at an advanced stage of self-healing processing, like going through the cognitive rewiring and redesigning that I needed to create a new default setting, which wasn't depression and wasn't being a victim in a world that's out to get me.
It took me a long time to put myself into a new version of myself that was a new default setting, where I emancipated myself from that s***. So it does take time and a lot of people have to go through that process still. And don't get me wrong, I've still got to go through my own traumas and my own issues and dysfunctions. It never ends. But there is a lot of. How do you say it? Hoarding that's been happening in the minds and the hearts of people, regardless if it's in the mainstream or alternative cultures that have developed.
Brendan: And that work is hard. It takes a long time. It really is important to go through the sacrifices and the commitment.
Phillip: And if you want to give back to the world whilst you're going through that, that's great. Definitely do so. But as you said, Brendan, the more we become empowered and advanced and developed and enlightened and in a greater position for looking after ourselves, then we're in a greater position to look after the world too.
[29:18] Philosophy on Life
Phillip: Talking about dogmas, I've got a series of questions I'm going to ask the guests on this series of Redesigning Society. And one of the first I thought about asking the guests is, what is your philosophy on life? And, wow, that's going to open up a can of dogmas, no doubt. But there is also an opportunity to talk about some beautiful information and concepts that might be more aligned to the truth. So, Brendan, how would you explain your philosophy on life?
Brendan: Oh, well, first I would have to confess to not having one. I'm pretty, I'm not doctrinaire. So my attitude basically, I would say deep down, I've been motivated for a long, long time by the desire to decrease the suffering in the world. And that's probably what motivates a very large amount of my general activity and how I expend energy. And I suppose that's some kind of a, you could say that's a Buddhist sort of an outlook or attitude.
But yeah, I believe we're here by choice, we have an opportunity to experience the whole range of human emotion and awareness and non-awareness. And basically my interest is in trying to create greater degrees of freedom for the community in general and for myself. And I figure if I can generate more freedom for myself, then the more I do that, the more effectively I'll be able to generate it for other people as well. So I guess my philosophy as such is simply live your life.
Part of me says there's no right and wrong, and then part of me goes, well, you have to have some right and wrong. You have to at least arbitrarily agree on what's right and wrong. And then if we can have some useful discussions on that amongst ourselves as to what we are and are not willing to accept from each other, then that would be useful pragmatically.
But otherwise, the whole point from a metaphysical perspective of life on Earth, if you're looking through the literature of near-death experiences and hypnotic regression and all this sort of stuff, is we're here by choice to have an experience and essentially to learn and to change the nature of our beings through the experience. So there's this sort of alchemical journey and process that we're going through here. And there is no one right way to live. I don't believe in that kind of a dogmatic approach. If anyone says that there is one right way to live, then they are fundamentalists. And I don't want to be a fundamentalist. I don't like that kind of an outlook.
I think it's arrogant and it also smacks of simple-mindedness and that infinite ignorance that we were talking about as well, because at the moment you've got about seven and a half billion minds all having seven and a half billion very different experiences of reality here on Earth, and I think it's ludicrous to say to each and every one of those uniquely wired brains that you should all have the same outlook and the same belief structure and the same philosophy and believe the same things and do the same things and have the same jobs and so on and so forth.
For me, I've got no interest in following anyone else's rules. I think that our social mores and taboos are very good at holding us down and keeping us back and dumbed down and controlled. And partly we have an issue, a major issue with the education system on that front, where we're trying now to liberate ourselves from decades of social engineering that has been masquerading as education. And so that's quite close to my heart.
And again, that just comes back to enhancing the human experience here for as many people as possible and decreasing suffering, because right now we're hitting a point where we realise, oh, well, what we're being told about things is 99% of the time it's complete bulls*** when it's coming from the authority structures, the systems, as it's called. And we need to snap out of the hypnosis and recognise that we have the power to create what we want to experience here. And if we work together, we're going to be much more effective at creating that in a collaborative way than trying to go it alone and taking the hero's route, thrashing about with the sword and hoping for the best.
So I feel like I'm probably going off on a bit of a tangent there. But yeah, my outlook is basically fluid. I'll adapt to new information. I think that's the way to go.
[34:11] Dogma, Religion and Adaptability
Brendan: I don't like people. I don't resonate, let me put it that way. I don't want to be judgmental, but I don't resonate with the approach of a lot of people, which is, well, I found the truth in a holy book, so that's how I'm going to live. And that's the truth because it's in the holy book that they said was a holy book, and, God wrote it or whatever, the prophet wrote it, whatever. It's just a very good way to breed psychological rigidity and closed-mindedness and some very simplistic, predictable thought patterns as well. So none of that stuff really resonates with me.
I'd like to be adaptable. I think humans are innately adaptable and we find ways, artificial ways to destroy our adaptability and dumb ourselves down by being dogmatic and closed-minded and doctrinaire. And that applies to professionals and academics as much as it applies, or maybe almost as much as it applies to the world of the religionists, and not judging anyone.
I think religion is an important part of the... We'll put it this way. It's on a deep level. It's a psychological need. It's something in the psyche needs to acknowledge spirituality in some form. The basic reality that we are not simply a bag of blood and bone. We're actually consciousness that has taken shape, taken form.
Phillip: That sounds like a philosophy on life there. Ah, see, we've found something. We've found something.
Brendan: And you know what? I offer it with the caveat that I could change my mind on that based on better information.
Phillip: Yeah, look, it's great. Well, really well said. I do agree. I was going to mention actually that sometimes I... It seems that religion is necessary and certain dogmatic positions or just belief systems are necessary because it helps to have some sort of foundation, as you said, in some sort of spirituality, but also morality in some senses, until they're ready to emancipate themselves in a particular way or they're empowered enough to go on a journey without that rigidity, if you know what I mean.
Brendan: Yeah.
Phillip: So throughout our history, for example, I am aware of all the negative consequences that have come from organised crime, I mean, religion. But there also has been some positive stuff as well. It's not all been bad. I've met and know a lot of old school religious people who are just beautifully hearted. They really are nice people and sure, they've been lost in a cult over time, but it really hasn't had a negative impact on them. It really gave them a bit of hope and faith and helped guide them to continue allowing their heart to shine through to the people around them.
So there's always a different argument or a balance, I guess, to these sorts of subjects because, as you said earlier, we are all at different stages of our development. One person might be more developed in terms of their intellect and another person might be developing their compassion or emotion of some level. And we all have to accept that we've all got different strengths and weaknesses and that sometimes there might be a benefit to having certain beliefs, even if it's not really relevant or helpful for others.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. It's like, we all use training wheels. At some point, when you first start learning to ride a bike, you've got your training wheels. And you mentioned morality. So I would view religion as training wheels for people who are, from a moral point of view, and when you get to a certain point, you're not going to need those training wheels anymore. You're not going to need that doctrine to tell you what is right or wrong or acceptable or unacceptable, but it serves a purpose for as long as it serves a purpose.
And the fact is that, like you said, religion for a lot of people, it gives them something positive that at that point in time they couldn't just give themselves. And so it gives something, a lot of people who have this, I'm noticing a lot of people being reborn right now as Christians and it's giving them something to aspire to, the archetype, the symbol of Jesus. It gives them something to aim for, and there's nothing wrong with that. If it's making them a better human being, then for as long as it needs to be there to do that, then it's a good thing.
[38:53] An Alternative to Materialism in The Grand Illusion
Phillip: Yeah, fantastic. I do agree. Now, going back to the philosophy and life question, and you were sort of hinting at some sort of idealism or something to that degree. In your book, The Grand Illusion, Science, Spirituality and Hidden Truth, do you espouse a particular alternative to materialism, which we know is a debunked dogma philosophy that should have been thrown out a long bloody time ago?
Brendan: Yeah, I would say that I categorically destroy materialism. That was one of the elements of the book and the way that it was structured was just to show what a complete farce that actually is, based on the evidence. It's just ridiculous. Quantum physics destroyed it, what, a century ago? So it's really not sustainable. It's not tenable.
So yeah, the book is designed in a very, it's quite, for me, remarkably structured. I don't like a lot of structure, but I did structure that, to produce a certain kind of brain change in people. So yeah, it was kind of like I sort of walked the line between, I've got one foot in the camp of what would a skeptic think and what would a skeptic say. So I'm constantly addressing those kinds of concerns and angles, and then I'm offering a sort of broader, bigger picture without going off into la-la fairyland and remaining ungrounded and just believing in whatever sort of storyline has sort of emerged from the astral dreamscape, like a lot of people do. They get sucked into these astral storylines and they don't realise what they're sort of dealing with and interacting with.
Phillip: Yeah, for me, it's important to ground things in a framework that's logical, at least, and tries to be self-consistent and make sense and not fall back on axiomatic thinking where it's like, oh, well, this is what the channeled beings have told us, so that's true. And I'll just fall back on that because so-and-so said so in some channeling, and I don't like operating like that.
Brendan: So it's a big picture perspective with a lot of depth. And that's one of the things that I think makes it, because I spent so long on it, like I spent five years finally whittling it down to that first published book. So it's got a level of scope and detail that just isn't generally easily found. I try to address the rational perspective as well as the metaphysical and try to make sense of it without reducing it down and trying to simply provide a mechanistic explanation because I don't think that's really tenable either. So yeah, I don't know if that answers the question.
Phillip: Well, the question was, did you provide an alternative to materialism or you just looked at the evidence and deconstructed materialism and moved the evidence in a particular direction?
Brendan: Well, look, yeah, there's definitely a direction. It's the foundational premises, and I think I set it up in Chapter 4. I talk about all the quantum stuff. And then in Chapter 5, I go into the actual sort of experience of what it's like to have a unitive experience, what it's like to actually be infinite consciousness and experience that and know that, rather than come from a perspective of believing, oh, well, that's true because I was told that or I read it somewhere. So I ground it in that. Here's what I know from experience.
And then in a thousand and one different ways, I've provided evidence that either indirectly or directly sort of supports that and builds on it in a way that kind of makes sense. So it's totally leading people out of the prison of materialism and out into the wide open space of infinite consciousness. And within that, if that's the premise, then anything's possible there.
So that's where I leave it in book one. Book two is actually the second half of it, the continuation, which I'll have to spend a few months polishing up and editing at some point, which won't be anytime soon with the workload we've got.
Phillip: All sounds awesome.
[43:04] Consciousness in Everything
Phillip: Do you think that could potentially lead into some sort of animistic type perspective in life, where there are intelligences and other particular things, like plants, or there's a spirit world? Is that something that you consider?
Brendan: Yeah, within that framework, everything has to have basically some kind of at least rudimentary consciousness. It's just a matter of degree of sophistication. An atom might not have the most sophisticated consciousness and an electron might not have the most sophisticated consciousness, but it must have some degree of, excuse me, what you might call sentience or basic kind of awareness. As we get more sophisticated physical structures and nervous systems, then you get more sophisticated self-awareness.
But definitely there's the idea of everything being imbued with a modicum of consciousness, because ultimately, if your starting point is the so-called void or infinite consciousness, then everything within that is built from a platform of Consciousness. So it's going to reflect that base in some way, shape or form.
And that's where you get the idea of fractality and holography and all this sort of stuff, because ultimately it's all just one field of awareness. Everything it builds is its own self-reflected awareness, or images of itself within itself within itself. So everything, yeah, absolutely. Consciousness is definitely present everywhere we look.
[44:58] Magic as Intentional Use of Consciousness
Phillip: I've lately been really trying, especially this year, but in the last five years it's been pretty prominent in my life, the action or practice of magic, or the conscious practice of magic, so to speak. I do it in various ways. It's my own unique approach to co-creation. It's more about informational filtering and processing in a way that's reflecting the health or the healing and growth on a personal level, in a mirroring way to the macrocosm, so to speak.
It's a really integral aspect of my experience, which I haven't spent too much time writing or talking about, because I'm still coming to terms with what's happening and what the consequences and results of it are.
So is magic something that's a part of your life? Do you have rituals? Do you practise magic in your own way?
Brendan: I would have to say I just don't have a lot of space to really think like that at the moment. I would say I'm not drawn naturally to formulas and systems.
Phillip: But there's chaos magic, where you can just do whatever the f*** you want.
Brendan: Yeah, see, now you're talking my language.
Phillip: Yeah, like chaos gardening, just try something and see how it goes.
Brendan: Totally. Recently I would say I've been making efforts in the direction of telling my spirit and my body and my DNA to do this and do that and repair this and fix that. And it seems that I'm getting results from doing that. I would say that's the main way, or the only form of so-called magic that I've been engaged in.
But basically, I've defined in the book, magic is really any kind of intentional use of Consciousness, or systematic use of consciousness, directed externally out into the world around you, or even if that's just physically in your own body, that's still an extension of consciousness into physicality.
Phillip: Based on that definition, it sounds like we're practising magic every day.
Brendan: I totally agree. And that's exactly it, mate. We are totally magicians, every one of us, if we would just realise it.
Phillip: Beautiful, beautiful. Now we're hitting the nail on the head.
Yeah, so that's right. We've all got our own way of doing it. But I felt like I was unconscious for the way that I was giving back that energy. It was a subconscious intention in a sense, or even an energetic blueprint intention, i.e. the soul was putting out energy in a way to transmute what's going on around me. And I was quite unconscious of that since birth really, until over the last decade or so, probably a bit more, but becoming more aware of how I'm contributing to the energetic exchange.
And then particularly over the last five years or maybe a bit more, I've become highly aware of that process and really relished it and enjoyed it. It's just a little experience that we have that we can really enjoy and that brings a bit of balance to that f***ing mess that we see going on in the outside world.
[48:44] Influencing Every System We Attend To
Brendan: I think it's cool if you can walk around keeping in mind that everywhere you look, you're influencing that. Everywhere you direct your attention, even, forget your eyes, just everywhere you direct your attention, you are influencing that system. So wherever your mind is or wherever you point your eyes, you're influencing that system. You're present there. You are everywhere you think, you are everywhere you look.
That's kind of cool, because then you realise that even if you just try to break into this way of thinking as a starting point, you have to realise that you're very subtly influencing every system that you think about or interact with. And so the possibility is there as a baseline. You've got the possibility of actually intentionally influencing things and directing things and programming elements of your reality to suit your purposes.
And then, of course, that brings up, well, you're practising black magic or white magic or grey magic or whatever, but without getting down into that.
I think it's important what you just brought up there. The fact of the matter is that we exist in a sort of 3D holographic dream world that we, or the larger version of us, has dreamed into existence. So we're everywhere we go, and everywhere you think or direct attention, you're creating a change in the system there. So you're quite powerful.
And then it's a matter of, well, why not play with that power and play with that ability to see what you can create, what's going to benefit you, what's going to benefit other people, how you can just be more of a creative force and creative entity rather than feeling like you're always at the mercy of the forces raging around you. It's kind of a cool inversion of perspective and it's much more empowering than being stuck in the view that you're just a brain in a skull and everything around you is happening to you and you can't do anything about it.
[50:46] Empowerment and the Limits of the Law of Attraction
Phillip: Yeah, the key word there is empowerment. The issue is, though, that things like The Secret and a pseudo or superficial law of attraction have, I guess, tricked people into thinking they're more powerful than what they actually are, i.e. their conscious part of themselves. Because our subconscious is extremely way more powerful than our conscious mind. And then our soul, or energetic blueprint or whatever it is, I just call it the energetic blueprint. But I know there's another layer of myself that has been the primary co-creator force in my world.
And I'm trying to align my conscious mind with my subconscious to flush out all the crap that I best I can. And then align all that with the energy in a way to make my consciousness, what I'm conscious of, more aware, more expanded, more empowered, all the rest of it.
But I know I can't just go and move that mountain or win the lotto. There are some unrealistic strategies that could be taken with my conscious mind. But if I'm wise enough, I might be able to align my conscious mind to my subconscious and energy in a way that's going to amplify and facilitate and be conducive to facilitating that healing and growth that I desperately need on an individual and even a collective scale.
[52:16] Taming the Ego
Phillip: But going back to what you were implying before, that implies interconnection, Brendan. So we're connected to the outside world, but does that mean we're not separate? Does that mean that we should kill our ego?
Brendan: I think that it's a worthy endeavour to tame the ego without necessarily killing the poor bastard. There's nothing wrong with having a persona. There's nothing wrong with a healthily developed ego structure. But it's a poor master. You kind of need a bigger perspective there than just the human, the little, fill up what agenda for what Phillip wants kind of thing, which is exactly what stuff like The Secret does. It plays on the personality, the personal level, and it restricts attention to that materialistic level. Which is one of the problems I have with it.
So, yeah, I don't think we need to kill the ego. We just need to put him in his place. He's a good little boy when he's put in his place and used selectively and for the purposes that he was designed for. He's just part of a bigger pattern. And the bigger pattern is really what shapes things. Like you said, we're overwhelmingly unconscious beings. The conscious level of us is just a fraction of a percent of what we are.
So, like you said, you can't just go and move a mountain, because that represents a program in the collective consciousness and the program within the Gaian server, the Gaian consciousness. And you can't just go messing with that at will, because there are other structures and programs holding that in place. So we can't just roam around like out-of-control deities, remodelling and landscaping the world to our will.
But we can definitely, like you said, you were hinting at tuning into who we are, our authentic selves. If you can do that and find what you really are and what really makes you tick and what really makes you unique, then it is easier to generate outcomes using your conscious intention if it's in alignment with who and what you really are.
As the program of Phillip Watt, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're probably not a highly materialistic, money-driven guy. So having dreams and visions of trying to generate, I don't know, lotto wins or whatever it is that doesn't align with you at a base level is not going to work out so well. And that's where a lot of that law of attraction stuff goes wrong, is that a lot of it's just so superficial and it doesn't acknowledge who and what we are at deeper levels.
And since you were talking about it, I don't think that being who we really are and co-creating our realities and being conscious, even if we're not materialistic, means that we should be poor. I think being poor is, for the most part, just a program that needs to be deleted or corrected and altered. So that's another element of it. I think that the ego can be a useful ally, but not a great master.
Phillip: Well, I think we're pretty close to the same page there. I just look at the ego as the sense of self, or the eyeness. So the eyeness can be driven by egotistical selfish desire, or, I mean, we have to have some selfishness, we have to have some desire, there's nothing desiring actually, it just depends on what we're desiring. But we certainly need to look after our separate self, which is our fundamental experience really since birth. But to acknowledge the energetic flow within the interconnected exchange that is happening as well.
So, yeah, it's one of those things where I think we get a little bit rigid once again. That's, no, no, no, we are connected and that's it. Well, I think we're both connected and separate. On different layers, there are different layers of truth. I just call it the many truths theory. Instead of wiping one thing out just because one thing is true, it doesn't mean it necessarily contradicts the other if it's, I guess, assessed on a different dimension.
[56:50] The Matrix and Simulated Reality
Phillip: But going back to some of the words that you were using before, programs, you used programs, and I think there's another word, I think it might have been structure, but I can't remember, but what I was hearing was Matrix. What is your view on the Matrix? Do you think this is a particularly simulated or designed reality, or what's going on with that?
Brendan: Well, I think the Matrix is still probably the best film metaphor I've ever seen for the reality that we inhabit. Let me just start by saying that. I don't think I've seen anything that's topped it yet.
But I'm not a subscriber to this recently emerging or emerged idea that we are in some hologram designed by evil aliens who want to enslave and control us, and they're using us like little figures in a video game, that kind of thing.
Phillip: Well, that's not actually a recent idea. That's Gnosticism. That goes back many, many centuries.
Brendan: Yeah, well, the Gnostic Demiurge thing. They took a negative view of the creative principle of the physical world, which I, again, some did.
Phillip: There's a different sex of it.
Brendan: Yeah, and so I'm not one of the, I don't sympathise with the more pessimistic sort of Gnostic outlooks. Their version of the Demiurge, or at least one of the main versions, came out of the Egyptian system anyway, so it's not even original.
But yeah, we are in this sort of structure, this holographic structure of all these different nested and interacting programs. It's this kind of weird evolving fractal that shifts through what we experience as linear time. And it's definitely something because we are the ground foundational consciousness that these programs are built on. We can interact with them consciously to an extent. We can change some of them. Some of them we can change more than others. It's like Robert Anton Wilson said when he said that reality is plural and mutable.
[59:08] The Grove of Trees That Vanished
Brendan: Some programs can be erased completely. I give an example in the book TGI where there's a girl and a younger girl that are outside in a grove of, I think it was Canary, olives or something. The older girl does this sort of funny ritualistic dance and the grove of trees vanishes completely. One minute they're standing in amongst these trees in the shade and the next minute they're gone and they're standing out in the bare sunlight. And the young girl freaks out and starts dancing and clapping her hands and running around in exuberation and exuberance, exuberance, is that a word? Anyway.
Phillip: It sounded good.
Brendan: It sounded good. I'm going to claim it. Exuberation is now a word.
So this was witnessed by the biologist Lyall Watson, who wrote about it in his books. It blew his mind and he couldn't quite fathom what he had witnessed, but he had witnessed this girl, who was a shaman basically, who had very powerful shamanic abilities, actually literally delete the program of those trees in the grove. And suddenly they were just standing out in broad sunlight. And then she brought them back by reversing the procedure. And he's watching this group of trees blink on and off and on and off, and he's going, what the hell am I seeing here? This can't be possible, because the old, now dated view of reality is that we can't influence the system around us. And it's certainly because it's solid matter. We certainly can't just make it vanish. That's preposterous.
And now we're slowly realising that that's actually wrong. Yeah, it's solid. If it's tangible and you can touch it, then it's solid. You can also make solidity disappear and you can make solidity semi-solid. Under certain conditions that can happen even in storms, where you get a tornado and very strange electrical activity. Suddenly you get objects that are what we would regard as really solid, like a piece of wood and a rock. And you might find in that storm that the rock sinks into the block of wood, and it's completely impossible from a conventional way of looking at things.
But this is the situation we're faced with, where matter or atoms can be phased in and out of this level of reality and they can be deleted and undeleted and brought back, and we can manipulate things and the weather can manipulate things under certain conditions. It's fair to say that it's a solid, tangible reality, as long as you don't forget that it's also alterable and mutable and we can manipulate it.
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[1:02:14] Was It the Trees or the Brain?
Phillip: So would you say that the shaman was tuning his consciousness into the greater grid in a different way for that to happen, or were the trees actually being manipulated in and of themselves? Was it his brain being manipulated or was it the trees?
Brendan: That's a great question. My preferred answer is that the grove of trees was simply erased. I lean towards that because it's simply a matter of switching a program off. You're not there trying to remove a physical tree. You're just deleting the underlying program that supports the tree's existence.
But then it's a good question, because there's another example in the book where it really speaks to what you're asking about, of a guy in hypnosis. His name's Tom and he's been hypnotised, and his daughter is standing in front of him.
Phillip: Is this where he's holding a watch?
Brendan: Yes, she's holding a watch. So you've heard this example. It speaks to your question about, well, was it reality being altered or was it his brain being altered? In this case with the watch, his daughter stood in front of him holding the watch behind her back and he could see through his daughter like she wasn't there, because it had been suggested to him by the hypnotist that his daughter was not there, that she was invisible. So he could see the watch right through her. From the perspective of the other participants, he now had the ability to see through physical matter, his daughter, and read the time on the watch, but to him, his daughter didn't even exist. So the program of daughter in his reality field did not exist, but in the other observers, the program of his daughter still very much was functional.
Phillip: So if the trees were actually being removed, then I could move mountains.
Brendan: Well, you can try. I've got other things to do, bro, but let me know how you go with that.
Phillip: Well, I am moving physically in six or seven weeks, so the mountain will be moved in accordance with my perspective. So there you go. I like it. That's easy. There's a cheeky way around it.
[1:04:43] Evil Controllers and Competing Perspectives
Phillip: But yeah, going back to you mentioned the simulation theory, well, in terms of the evil controllers and demiurge and the rest of it, it sort of leads into the simulation theory in a sense, which is what the matrix is on one level. The way I view it is there's just so many different ways of perceiving our current reality. I'm looking out the window now at the gorgeous mountain, Old Man Dreaming, and it's bloody beautiful. It's just an amazing picture that I need to be feeling so grateful for. But then you look around the world, the destruction of culture, the destruction of physical health and personal well-being, the destruction of natural systems and just the toxicity that's laced everywhere. There's a lot of evidence to suggest that we are in a situation where there is a lot of evil running rampant in a sense.
So the way I view all these theories, I think we can go back to what you were saying at the start, which is that in infinity all potential has its place. And so it might be one person's purpose to tune into the frequency of an alien enslavement camp. That might be very true on one vibration, on one frequency. It's very true to them. And it's true in the context of infinity. But it certainly isn't something that might put more prominent energy or frequency within your particular experience, for example. Does that make sense?
Brendan: Yeah, I've met a lot of people who have these kinds of personality types that are drawn to these other levels of information, like the astral levels, and they see, oh, that guy's a reptilian and that guy's a shapeshifter. The information is present in the system, so you're perceiving it and tuning into it. But that doesn't mean that your interpretation is necessarily valid.
Phillip: Ah, now we've hit the keyword. I love it. Keep going.
Brendan: So, yeah, this is the thing. If you look at the disclosure movement and the whole field of ufology, it attracts naturally. This is really the cleverness of the collective unconscious, which I've been talking about a little bit lately. It's very good at getting our attention and keeping us mesmerised by its strange phenomena. What a lot of these astral types do is they go off into their altered state of consciousness and go gallivanting around the astral planes on different levels. The problem is that as you step out of the physical realm and go further and further out, every step out, it gets more and more abstract and more and more incomprehensible and more and more symbolic.
Phillip: And hard to interpret.
Brendan: Exactly. Interpretation is everything. And these people, unfortunately, keep coming back to us taking everything literally, everything at face value, no interpretation, no sophisticated big-picture perspective of how this story has been playing out for decades or centuries. And they're going, oh, I figured it all out. I figured out the alien conspiracy, the alien control system. And it's like, well, no, actually, you've just interacted with a couple of programs running in the collective unconscious. And now they've hypnotised you and you think you've got the answers. And hey, it might actually be true, but how do you know? How do you know?
Phillip: Exactly. So I would question the certainty when you find someone who's got that attitude of, yep, I figured it out, I know what's going on, and they've done it by going into the abstract realms of existence, into those virtual dreamscapes. Be very, very sceptical.
It's funny, I've been witnessing the various people in, say, for example, channelling that you mentioned earlier, having their information walls, no, this is right, this is right. It just gives me a little chuckle because everyone's got their own viewpoint and there's all these people who believe they're really good intuitives who believe one thing and then there's the opposite where they believe the other thing. It really comes down to this weird schism in the world. Let's just call that duality, shall we? But the divisiveness of opinion and belief has really been accentuated in recent times. It's really unprecedented levels in certain ways, especially energetically, which may hopefully have its place in the healing and development of our collective consciousness, so to speak. But it just mirrors another reason why it's a little bit silly and a little bit arrogant to be firmly convicted around particular belief systems and beliefs.
Brendan: No, exactly. When you go into those other realms, everything that every human has ever thought or dreamt up or every deity we've ever believed in, it's all there. It all exists. All that information is there. So you go into these subjective realms and it's like, yeah, well. Everything is true from some perspective because all the information is present there. Every God we've ever believed in is still alive in the deeper levels of the collective unconscious. But we've just got to get a bit more distant and sophisticated in how we're actually interpreting the information that we come into contact with, because they're all right and they're all wrong. It's true as far as what you were able to experience and ascertain. Everyone else has a different truth emanating from those kind of subjective domains of the human interiority, you know?
[1:11:08] The Simulation, Phillip's New Book
Phillip: I do know. The book that I've just completed, which I've called The Simulation, because I wanted to use the next evolution of the demiurge or the next baddie, so to speak. Let's just call this reality a simulation and then we've got something to focus on and a way to define it. But it really is at the forefront of the technocratic consciousness that is developing on this planet right now. So I thought I'd use that theme, but the entire point of the book is to come to the strict awareness that you really don't know f*** all.
There's all these beautiful ways, magical ways of looking at the world and experiencing the world. There's all these mad ways of looking at the world and experiencing the world. All of it might be true on the vibration of everything, but some may be less relevant to the trueness of one particular person's energy, and to another person it might be more relevant. Yeah, this conversation really does speak to the book that I've just finalised. So I look forward to releasing that.
Brendan: Awesome.
[1:12:38] Global Freedom Movement
Phillip: All right. So moving on, global freedom movement. What's going on over there with you and Aimee?
Oh, mate, we are creating all sorts of trouble.
Brendan: No, I wouldn't have cared.
Phillip: Well, look, first and foremost, we're all about conformity and trusting our beloved authorities.
Brendan: Bulls***.
Phillip: So if you can't do that, yeah, look, the main thing we're building right now is this university portal. We've got this university structure. We'll keep calling it that until some pain in the ass agency tells us to stop calling it that. But basically what it is, is I like to call it the Truthiversity.
And we're building this structure where we've got a multimedia educational resource. So we've got video, we've got audio, we've got essays, we've got articles, we've got the research papers and all that stuff. So we're covering things from every angle, but doing it in a way that's very accessible and digestible.
So we'll probably end up with 12, or we'll start off maybe with 12 major categories of investigation and research, kicking things off mainly with civilization and where humanity has sort of, we've sort of gone off the rails and what caused us to have this mutational event and journey and the long view of it all.
And then we're going to talk about the medical system and modern medicine and health and what's going on there and how we can fix it, what we're up against, how this thing is wired against freedom and freedom of choice. And how it creates disease instead of health and all that sort of stuff. So those are going to be the main subjects early on that we're going to kick off with.
[section omitted] We're getting a lot of people saying that that's what they believe most people need to know about. [section omitted] So we're going to deal with that too.
Basically, we're going to work our way through all the important subject matter, whether it's the banking system and what's going on there and how that's enslaved us. We'll talk about crypto, we'll talk about political correctness, we'll talk about Zionism and we'll get through one way or another.
We're going to work our way through all the major things that you're not going to get told at school and told at university. And we're trying to undo the social engineering that people have been put through in the mainstream schooling system and also by the media outlets and government talking heads, so basically unfucking people.
Brendan: Well, you've got your work cut out for you, don't you?
Phillip: We like a challenge, what can I say?
[1:15:29] Conspiracy or Incompetence
Brendan: Yeah, well, that sounds very, very interesting. One of the thoughts that popped into my mind through your discussion is there's an argument that all this toxicity, all the lies, all the deception, all the bulls***, all the manufactured hatred and division and all the rest of it is designed by, call it material power structures, call it immaterial power structures, it doesn't really matter, is designed to wake and to shake humanity. Do you think there's any truth in that, or do you think that at the end of the day, no, this is purposely designed as a control system, an enslavement camp to keep humanity under check and fulfilling the goals and the agenda of those who are in control?
Phillip: I think I'm somewhere in a bit of a middle ground there, because I think the first view that you enunciated is one that gives these people in positions of influence and power way too much credit. And mostly, for the most part, look at the Australian government, for example, look at these absolute nitwits like Greg Hunt and Jill Hennessy. I mean, Tony Abbott, the former Prime Minister. Just have a look at this group of complete incompetent buffoons.
Brendan: They're very special, aren't they?
Phillip: They're special. You can't give them that much credit.
Even if you look at the, and you've got to be careful when you go down these rabbit holes, they branch out into all sorts of weird and funky conspiracy domains. And I think they need to be looked at. But you've got to also keep asking yourself every step of the way, what's the evidence here? What's the evidence for this idea? What's the evidence they're presenting? And a lot of the time you end up in a place where there isn't any other than you've got their word and you can take their word or leave it. So that's a useful pragmatic tool, just keep asking that question, because I think overwhelmingly, it's a kakistocracy. We're led by the stiest elements of society. We're controlled by the stiest elements of humanity. And they occupy the most powerful positions in government and finance and all of this.
And basically, they're unconscious. They're operating out of self-interest, greed, selfishness. They're short-sighted. They've got no frigging vision. They don't know what's going on. They're destroying themselves without realizing it by destroying humanity.
Brendan: And their families.
Phillip: Exactly. So they're so stupid and so short-sighted that they're actually destroying the few things in their lives that they care about. They just can't see it yet.
And for the most part, that's how I view it. The world is definitely run by a multitude of different types of conspiracies, agreements between powerful vested interests that they don't tell us about. That's all it needs. All you need for a conspiracy is just two people who are having an agenda that they don't share with anyone, basically. So there's conspiracies running the world, but it's conspiracies by incompetent, short-sighted fools. So I don't want to give them too much credit.
And then there's part of me that goes, well, okay, what about this whole breakaway civilization stuff? What's going on with the off-planet?
Brendan: Yeah, underground bunkers and that, yep. Yeah, what's happening there?
Phillip: Because I've spoken to a guy who says he's been part of the Australian government's program for managing the UFO, ET situation here for a long time. And he's been in underground bunkers. He was in one in England. I think he said it was under London and it was built to house 2 million people. And that's a serious bunker. So obviously someone thinks something is coming down the pipeline that you need some pretty serious accommodation for. And this is the same guy who says he's had dinner with the off-world humans who come and go, the guys who really run the place.
But I think at every level you go to in the agenda or the various systems we've got in place, it's basically people who are looking out for themselves. They don't necessarily have the resources or the philosophical outlooks such that they could work together very cohesively. There's a lot of competition amongst powerful interests. So I don't take that black and white, everything's a coordinated conscious conspiracy. I think mostly we get the conspiracy by incompetence is what I call it.
So it's basically these fools running the ship, steering the ship, they don't realize they're steering it towards an iceberg. They're so incompetent and so disorganized and so self-interested that basically we end up with these systems that are self-perpetuating. And you've got all these people that go into them, they're sucked into them, and they just reflect the state of consciousness of the system. And they don't improve things, they just perpetuate it. And it creates the appearance of an ongoing conspiracy at low levels, which is probably really just put down to these people are just morons.
Brendan: Mate, that was really well said. I do agree. I think it was a good way of detailing the conspiracy around this sort of conspiracy. Of course there are some sort of dark occultism elements as well as pedophilia elements.
Phillip: Yeah.
Brendan: That goes probably right to the top in certain ways, but I don't think it's this very clear, clearly defined power structure where they're all getting along, rainbows and unicorns, dancing around the circle saying, yay, we're getting slave humanity. Like, there are f***ing idiots. They're fools. They are brainwashed into the status quo, into the official narrative, just like the majority of humanity.
But the issue is that they're having such huge consequences with their decisions on society and on people that you can't claim plausible deniability or ignorance about this sort of stuff. If you're going to work in these fields, on the political spectrum and in other key areas within our society, you need to be educated. You need to be informed. If you haven't got the right education through universities and schooling and through society, which let me tell you, you haven't, then you need to be doing it yourself, right? You need to have the respect enough for yourself and society.
And I think this is where the majority of players within the system sit. Police officers, firefighters, nurses, doctors, politicians, bureaucrats, you name it. The majority of people are probably relatively good-hearted at their core. They're probably not that authentic, but they probably wouldn't want to go and harm people in general. I mean, they might kill off a few foes on their journey to power or whatnot. But at the end of the day, they're probably relatively okay people who are just really highly ignorant, highly misled, got sucked into some sort of greed and corruption program. Which I think is one of the biggest drivers to this system at the moment, based on the monetary system and based on the scarcity-based system that we operate under today. And so it's very easy to get sucked into that extra million dollars because it's looking after your family and whatnot and your newer generations.
Phillip: Yeah, I think you nailed it really well. We get too many in the Truth and Freedom Network focusing on that particular group or that particular group. And as much as everything needs to be exposed, I think at the end of the day, we should follow the theme of this discussion, which is to not be convicted on any real belief unless there's some pretty obvious and clear and open evidence to suggest it, especially when it comes to this crime mess, this scam, this absolute disgrace of a social system.
[1:24:36] Freedom and Sovereignty
Brendan: And don't get me wrong, we have the opportunity to be more free than ever before. I'm not a slave, even though I'm somewhat enslaved economically to the system. I certainly am at an amazing level of freedom, an amazing level of sovereignty. And I think that many of us can be like that, if we realise what it means to be sovereign and start taking the actions to achieve it. So I really do see there's a lot of positive to where we are right now. We do have that opportunity to emancipate ourselves on huge degrees and on a mass scale like never seen before.
But at the end of the day, the reality is most people are highly enslaved and indoctrinated into the toxicity of the world and they unfortunately are not aware that they could make that choice.
But yeah, my partner, Nicole, she loves to just summarize what's going on with the madness of the system, a lot of it has to do with greed and corruption. And that again just leads back to the monetary and ideological design of the system.
Phillip: So that's good. I'm glad you brought a bit of sanity to that aspect.
Brendan: I do what I can, man. I do what I can.
[1:26:01] The Hawkins Scale
Phillip: I mean, someone messaged me recently and they've been dabbling with the Hawkins scale. I don't know if you've heard of that one.
Brendan: You'll have to remind me.
Phillip: So you probably have. So it's basically the Hawkins scale. Hawkins was this bloke's name. I forget his first name, but he came up with the scale of consciousness and it goes up to, say, a thousand being the maximum. Anything under 400 is someone who's out of integrity. Under 200, it's like someone who's pathologically criminal and just a completely debased, debauched, unconscious sort of humanoid robot kind of being.
And she messaged me because she'd been testing one or two of the politicians. And I think one of them was Greg Hunt, the Health Minister for Australia.
Brendan: So she's remotely kinesiologically tested Greg Hunt where he ends up sitting on the consciousness scale. I'll just point out again that 400 is simply the level of being in integrity. And poor old Greg clocked in at about 160. So he's in the sort of criminally insane category down there.
These are the people, like I said, it's a kakistocracy. These are the people who are running the show and they're just s*** humans, basically. They might have a core, an inner core of goodness that has been very heavily distorted and clouded over. But for all pragmatic purposes, they're basically rotten humans.
And this is why we need to do so much heavy lifting, because they represent the immovable, unstoppable force of tyranny and unconsciousness. What we're trying to do is take a light into the consciousness. And we've got our work cut out for us, man, because these people are asleep at the wheel. They don't know it.
And look, it's no doubt true. You have to be compromised on some level to get into the higher echelons of these power positions, no doubt. But what it does is put a really bad name on all of the other people that work within the system. As I said before, I've worked in bureaucracies, federal and state level, for 10 years and most people are pretty good people. They're just low-level people thinking they're doing the right thing for society. A lot of the time there's not too many moral dilemmas in what you do. You think you're writing policy or implementing a project that's going to help people.
That's the sort of feeling. They're the people we need to connect with and get them to realise whose team they're really on. They're on the team of themselves, their sovereignty and their family's sovereignty. But once you get up to the higher levels, that's what you've got. Psychopathy, I couldn't even say the word there for a moment. And serious sociopathic tendencies tend to be quite common, right?
Phillip: Absolutely, mate. That's it. So where do we go from here? Well, how about you tell us what's going on, how to contact you guys, how to follow your work and any other sort of...
[1:29:12] Where to Find Brendan's Work
Brendan: If you need to reach us, you can do that through the website, globalfreedommovement.org. That's where we've got all our media, the GFM Media archives. We've got all the interviews we've done. We've got our articles, which we're publishing. We try to publish the news articles as often as possible. So I guess that's our main website.
My book is currently being shifted under our banner of GFM Press. We're going to publish it under our own steam. I think the physical book is not quite available at the moment, but we've uploaded the e-book. So that should be available. And if you want to grab it, you can go through the GFM website. Mine is brendandmurphy.com and you can reach me through there as well.
There are main hubs of activity on Facebook. We've got the Global Freedom Movement page there. So you'll be able to find us pretty easily and keep up to date with what we're going on.
I would actually suggest, definitely, for people who are wanting to really go down this road with us and get more organised and more community-oriented, and get into a community where we're education-driven and not just posting memes on Facebook and stuff, sign on to the mailing list so we can keep you up to date with the university and when that's launching and let you know. And we'll just go from there and build a kick-ass community.
Phillip: Awesome. Well, I do recommend to everybody listening to check out Brendan and Aimee's work over at Global Freedom Movement. It's been an amazing chat. I've really enjoyed this, Brendan. I think we've touched on some really important issues and current issues in the Alternative Space that's happening right now. So in that sense, it was a really important conversation.
[1:31:25] Finishing on a Positive Note
Phillip: I think just to wrap it up, let's finish on a bit of a positive note, shall we? As much as there might be a bit of mess in the money, the media, the management and the medicine, the 4Ms I call it, they've been stolen from us, they've been turned into a scam, they've made us look like idiots to even question the way that we've designed those elements of our social system. But on the other side of things, what's bright, what's beautiful, what's awesome about this world?
Brendan: Oh, well, geez. We've still got some pretty nice places left we can live. I'm out in the bush right now just looking at the mountains and we've got wallabies and whatnot hanging around. It's just so soothing and grounding to be out in this kind of space. You really start to get back in touch with what it's all about and why we do this in the first place, why we're all working so hard to raise awareness and wake people up.
I think we've got a lot of opportunity here amidst all the turmoil to make changes within ourselves and to grow. Ultimately, all of the challenges that we face are basically growth opportunities, because let's face it, humans left to their own devices, unchallenged, are comfortable. They don't really go looking to better themselves. They don't really go looking for transformation. So I think that a lot of what's going on, as haphazard and unconscious as it all is, it's basically a very, very big ongoing opportunity for us to better ourselves and to be.
I'm seeing this happen and it's awesome to see that we're actually starting to rebuild communities again, even if it starts on social media online. We can go from there and take it offline out into the real world and we can help each other to go off grid, help each other to be sustainable and independent and free. Part of that's challenging each other and supporting each other as we go. And I think that's basically what this whole crazy process boils down to for me. If you're looking for a silver lining, I think that's really it.
We've got this, what is it? There's a Chinese, is it Chinese symbol for chaos, which also means opportunity? And I think that's something. That's not Kirk, is it? I'm not sure, but I think that they were onto something. Chaos does represent an opportunity. So amidst the chaos, we have an opportunity to shape things how we would like them to be and break out of the pattern of the status quo.
We don't need to be, we can't even be what we used to be. We can't continue being robots who are programmed by the system. We can't function like that anymore. It's just becoming less and less a part of what a human being actually is. So we've got a great opportunity to be. In our discomfort with how things are lies the motivation to do something, to create something better and to really expand ourselves and who and what we are and go next level. So no, it's definitely not all bad.
Phillip: No, and that's what we're here for, isn't it? To experience and to go with the flow and create along with it. We can get lost in the madness, but I just keep telling myself and telling everybody around me, make sure you look at the magic too because it's f***ing everywhere. Now, are you still there, Brendan?
Brendan: Ah, lost it, Phil.
Phillip: Ah, you're back?
Brendan: I'm back. Did you hear everything I said then?
Phillip: I did, mate. I thoroughly agree with that magic sentiment. I agree very much and I think it's a good way of looking at it.
[1:35:31] Chaos and the Goddess Kek
Brendan: Absolutely. And just to clarify, Keck is an Egyptian, part of Egyptian mythology and it's a real big thing in 4chan and Reddit and those sorts of more underground social media sites because the goddess of, the primordial goddess of Keck, they've associated with the, I don't know if you know much about the Trump baron story and the connection between old books that are sort of prophesizing what's going, which prophesize their current era of Trump and all the rest of it. Have you seen?
Phillip: I don't think I have, mate. That's an interesting rabbit hole in and of itself. But the goddess of Keck is about chaos. But with that comes opportunity, as you mentioned.
[1:36:25] Closing
Phillip: Well, thank you, Brendan, very much for joining me. We'll have to do this again, eh?
Brendan: Mate, it's been awesome. I look forward to the next one, dude. Let's not make it too many months between drinks.
Phillip: Beautiful. All right. Well, you have a wonderful day, mate. We'll speak soon.
Brendan: Thanks, Phil.
Phillip: Cheers, mate. Bye.