Spiritual Geekout
Evolving Yourself and Using the Higher Mind
Brendan discusses evolving the self and accessing the higher mind — drawing on his cross-tradition research into consciousness and what the evidence points toward.
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[0:07] Welcome and Introduction
Diane: Hey, welcome to the Spiritual Geekout Podcast. I'm your host, Diane Hudock. We have fun talking about the phenomenal and the fascinating. From angels to energy healing, from mystical places to mystical teachings, this is a place where we nerd out on the science of the soul.
I am thrilled to have my Aussie guest on today. He is a... See ya. Truth Hacker. He is a freedom warrior. He is the author of a phenomenal and elegantly organized and thoroughly consciousness expanding book called The Grand Illusion. It is a synthesis of science and spirituality. Brendan Murphy, straight from Australia. Thank you so much for being here on the Spiritual Geekout podcast.
Brendan: Anytime. Thanks, Diane.
[1:07] Writing the Book and an Early Awakening
Diane: Yeah, it's great to have you. Let's jump in. First off, you wrote this book when you're in your late 20s. And like we were saying earlier, before we jumped on here, it's not really something many people do, where they talk about the depth of reality like you go into in extraordinary detail in your 500-and-something-page book. Drawing in so many different things about quantum physics, quantum theories, spirituality.
So my big question to you as a jumping-off point: were you always a seeker? Or was there something that happened in your life where you had this turning point and you just said, I gotta look deeper?
Brendan: Yeah, it was more of a turning point kind of moment for sure. So I was always leaning, from my teens, in the direction of being a bit out of the box, a bit alternative and that kind of thing. But I didn't have my full-blown awakening until I was about 20, I think, roughly.
That came about through my brother who was at school one day. They had a speaker come in and give a talk and he was supposed to talk about business, but he kept talking about this book. And my brother thought that that was noteworthy, and he didn't normally come home from school with a book suggestion, a recommendation or anything. It was just something about it. It triggered something in him to tell me I needed to know this.
And then sure enough, I made a mental note of it, but I delayed looking into it probably for half a year until finally the time was right and my curiosity got the better of me. And I went and checked the book out and that was it. My mind was blown. It showed me a realm of possibility that I'd never conceived of before and showed me my ideas about how things worked and what was real. I was ludicrously naive and I just took it from there. My curiosity was lit and that was it.
Diane: You were the perfect student. That's what it sounds like. Because when people think they know it all, it's like, oh, you're just shutting yourself off from even more possibility because there's no way. It's like we can't think our way to God. So we have to just really allow ourselves, no matter how much we know or don't know, to be the perpetual student. So that's what I hear. And that's a great training ground to receive all the things that you learned about and you share.
[3:47] The Three Core Freedoms
Diane: You talk on your website, which I wanted to go into a bit, about these three core freedoms, which I think are really timely right now with what's sort of the turning point of the planet right now. And you talk about health freedom. You talk about spiritual freedom. And you talk about lifestyle and impact freedom. Maybe you could go into all three of those for a moment. And my question on top of that is, out of all those freedoms, which do you think is being most challenged right now in terms of humanity?
Brendan: Oh, yeah, okay. That's a juicy one. Yeah, it's obvious to me that our freedom, on the most basic levels, is being assaulted from virtually every possible direction. So on a personal level, on a collective level. We've never, at least not anyone who was born after, say, 1950, has never seen the kind of sort of fascistic assault on freedom that we're witnessing over the last sort of, say, 18 months-ish. And so that's created a really interesting situation, I think.
A lot of people in the sort of, I don't know, truth community, or if you can call it that, have this idea that it's a spiritual war that's going on. And there's an element of truth in that as well. But for the most part, we're in a system that's unconscious at its most fundamental levels. And it's kind of like this demiurgic force is kind of out of control trying to maintain its unconscious, the state of the collective, which is unconscious predominantly, and maintain that so it can maintain its own control and power.
[section omitted] And it's all designed in a very unconscious kind of a way for the most part, not entirely, but mostly unconsciously designed to keep the boot stomped down on the face of humanity and on consciousness and to keep it contained and to keep us humans as un-self-aware as possible. So we've just seen the most intense, drastic sort of escalation of that dynamic in the last year and a half that we've ever seen.
So it's really an invitation for us to re-examine our basic concepts of freedom and what it means to be free. What does that look like personally? And I see that a lot in the kind of activist community, which I've been ensconced in for years and years now, particularly through social media, so for a decade. And there's a tendency in that community to really focus on the control mechanisms and to lose sight of the personal level, I think, in terms of your personal agency. What are you creating in your own life? How does it look? How do you want your life to look?
Even though we're looking out into the world and going, oh my God, there's this amazing assault on freedom and health, health under attack with the new injection and all this stuff, which is all completely true, we lose sight of the fact that we still have agency in our personal lives and can still be creative in our personal lives. From there, that's the only way we can create meaningful change. We do that by working together and collaborating and all that sort of stuff.
[7:26] Poisons and Conscious Choice
Diane: Yeah. By the way, I should mention, you have a great podcast and I've been listening to a lot of your episodes and I love the one with Jason Christoff. He's the bomb and all the questions you pontificate upon with him.
And to your point, it makes me think of a quote, I might butcher it a bit, but he says, with everything that we're fed to dumb us down, right, to take away these freedoms, these core freedoms. And he says, when did they ever decide or when did we ever think that drinking poison like alcohol was a treat? There's so much gravity to that. It's that we don't really realise that these are poisons. Coffee is a poison. Alcohol is a poison. These injections are poisons. The makers of these poisons are all felons, convicted, not opinion. Nope. You can go look it up. They're all convicted felons.
Yeah. And for people listening, look, we have choice, and we'll get into that here because you do talk about that in your book. But I want to be able to make the most wise, consciousness-expanding choice that is going to bring me into the highest frequency, because high-frequency people will save the planet. And when enough people are in that high frequency collectively, then this world's going to change. That's my belief. I can't prove it because we're not there yet. But your point in your book, you talk about the Maharishi effect, where it only takes 1% to affect like 16% of the population's violence level, right?
[9:21] The Critical Threshold and the Maharishi Effect
Brendan: Yeah, that's right. So there's a critical threshold. There's a threshold number there somewhere. And it might be the square root of 1%, which I think was what they found in their research. And then when you combine that work, which was completely scientific and totally empirical, with stuff like the hundredth monkey, which is an observable thing, which we see again, there's science around that as well. And Rupert Sheldrake's talked about it.
When you look at all these different things, start pulling the puzzle pieces together, it's obvious that there can only, like, this system and the state that it's in can only last so long as more of the monkeys continue to wake up and say, hang on a minute, I'm not on board with this. So it might be 10% of the population. I've seen that number. That was a study that came out, I don't know, 10 years or so. But it's not even a majority of people that are needed to create or to push through the threshold and create that radical systemic change. So that's, I guess, the silver lining to it.
[10:21] Heresy and Digital Burning
Diane: For sure. Yeah. Well, you talk about in your book, which was a factoid I didn't know, and it seems like a small thing that I pick from your book, but it stood out to me, where you talk about heresy, and how heresy actually comes from the Greek word heresis, right? And it means to choose, it means to have choice, it means to be able to have a deeper examination into things. What's wrong with that? And we have burned people for heresy, as we know. Joan of Arc. Many people.
Brendan: We're still doing it. We digitally burn people now, we de-platform them, we censor them, we silence them. It's really not a lot's changed. We still have the hysteria of the group, the group mind, the hive mind, the emotional irrationalism, predominantly embodied by the left or the far left these days. And that whole thing.
So when you reach the point where having a different viewpoint other than the one that's pushed by the establishment can cause you to be ostracised or ridiculed, deplatformed and that kind of thing, you're in a pretty dangerous place. It's a very dangerous, the thing that the advocates of that kind of action don't realise is that in that system, they too are completely expendable. The system has no respect for them. They're just useful idiots as far as it's concerned, and it will use them and then chew them up and spit them out when it's ready to.
[12:02] Multidimensionals and Unlocking the Mindset
Diane: Right. There's a quote from your book, and you're actually quoting a mother-daughter team of researchers, and I just think it's worthy of mention. Successful, this is from Alice Bryant and Linda Seebach. Successful multidimensionals, which we are, listeners, we are multidimensional. And I'm sure people that are tuning into this podcast, my listeners, are pretty well up to speed with that.
But successful multidimensionals, you say, you quote, have simply eradicated the barriers between conscious and subconscious inputs and expanded their 5 to 15% conscious awareness factor by an untold amount. Human minds, conscious awareness, have been stuck or blocked into a quote-unquote dislearning mindset, which has short-circuited the potential of human mind functioning. Successful multidimensionals make adjustments necessary to unlock the mindset and, once free from that state of non-awareness, can access higher dimensions. Amen to that. Hallelujah.
Brendan: That's a good passage, that one.
Diane: Yeah, that is a great passage. But to your point, I think that's really what it's all about. It's like we have to have the gumption, the wherewithal, the ability to hack our consciousness and think from that higher plane of altitude, of being elevated above the stuff so that we can actually have that premonic sight, that clear yogic sight, which we all have.
[14:06] The Pineal Gland and the Third Eye
Diane: And to your point, we'll go into the pineal gland. That's a really cool subject that people might want to just listen to and have you talk about, but how the pineal gland is a third eye. And, you know, we have the ability to awaken and have clear sight beyond the illusion of the sort of muck that the third dimension allows us to perceive. Do you want to go a bit into that?
Well, the third eye thing particularly.
Yeah, well, I'll just jump in. As I read your book, I pulled a bunch of things that really stuck out for me that I wasn't aware of. I was not aware that the pineal gland has the highest relative blood flow than any other part of the body except the kidneys. Is that correct?
Brendan: I remember that, Pat. It's been a while since I wrote that.
Diane: Yeah, you wrote that in your book, and that is, to me, pretty freaking fascinating. Because where there's blood flow, there's circulation. Where there's circulation, there's life.
Brendan: Hmm.
Diane: Yeah. And to your point, what are we doing but shutting down our consciousness with the things that we're doing to calcify the pineal gland? All right, obvious one, but what else?
Brendan: Yeah. And that was another thing, the research by Jennifer Luke, which showed the fluoride accumulates most heavily in the pineal gland. So you get these sort of salt crystals that block its functioning. But it is a very interesting thing when you realise that it is biologically kind of a third eye.
The pineal has a lot of hormonal functions, regulating our hormonal cycles, sleep patterns and melatonin and whatever. But there is also, on a high-dimensional level, light frequencies that are not physical photons, or what physicists would recognise as real light. But there are those high overtones or dimensions of light that actually do flow into the body and into the pineal gland. So that might be a source of that inner vision, that third eye awareness that we hear about so much.
And to damage the third eye and pollute it through acidifying foods, toxic, synthetic stuff, that's not good for any part of the body and especially not brain function and pineal in your mind.
So when you combine that with the actual mind control all around us, like we live in this matrix of mind control, which is the media and the education system and all that government and whatever. It's something to really, the act of self-awareness, to become reflexively self-aware and to intentionally monitor. To turn ourselves and to turn our vision, so to speak, back on ourselves, on our own mind and say, what am I doing here? Is this intentional? Is this behaviour intentional? Am I actually thinking this through? Does this make sense?
These are questions that come from the prefrontal cortex, the highest brain centre that we've got. Most people, which you were sort of alluding to, are not running out of the prefrontal cortex most of the time. Most people live their lives 90 plus percent in the lower parts of the brain, which is where you're running on autopilot, just on habit. And habits are done unconsciously, right?
So it's like the game is rigged against us, but it's rigged for us to grow and evolve and become something a little bit smarter and a bit tougher, a bit more streetwise and self-realized. So if we take the challenge on, it serves us. But if we don't, it chews us up and spits us out.
Diane: Right, right. Well, it's like how empowered do you want to be? And that's the point.
Brendan: Yeah, exactly.
Diane: Some people don't care and that's okay, but they'll get what they put into their lives, so to speak. They'll get the sort of matching frequency.
[18:34] Consciousness as Non-Local
Diane: That actually probably is a good segue to talk about consciousness. You go into consciousness a lot in The Grand Illusion. This is a subject very close to my heart because I do biofield tuning, and I'm constantly in people's fields all day long, all over the world. So I'm in person here in LA, but at this point, I'm seeing people like you in Australia and Japan and Italy, and I have to get out of the small mind. I have to get out of the thinking brain, right? And I have to step into that quantum and step into the ether, step into the fourth reality, the fourth element, right, of plasma.
And it brings me to talk about consciousness. And you say this in your book, how consciousness, very simply put, is non-local. Do you want to just explain that for the listeners?
Brendan: Yeah, I guess in a nutshell, it just means that it doesn't have a particular location in what we think of as space or time. Or to put it another way, it is everywhere. Everywhere at once. There's nowhere that you can be that it is not. As a ground-level, fundamental substrate of existence of any form, it's always preceded by that field of consciousness, which has no spatial properties, no temporal properties. It's not related to space and time as we experience them through our physical sensory apparatus. So I don't know if that's helpful to people, but.
Diane: Every mystic out there knows exactly what I'm talking about. I am with you 110%. And any mystical experience I've ever had, and you can listen to it on YouTube or go to my website and you can check that out. But that's just my own personal experience. There are thousands upon thousands of stories of mystics all over the planet that have the same experience. And like you say, the numbers don't lie.
These mystical experiences never happen by planning, by trying to create something. They're larger than us and they're larger than the physical brain. And you make a really good point in your book too, and I keep going back to your book because there's a lot we could talk about, how the brain is more of a receiver than a generator. And I love that because that's really it in a nutshell, that we are in consciousness. Consciousness is within us, but the body is in the field. It's like the energy then creates the form. And as you say in your book, subtle bodies were formed first, energy bodies were formed first before the cells and all that.
And again, many of our listeners will get that. Some people won't. But let's talk about that consciousness. Not only is it non-local, but if you're going to have a mystical experience, you get to get yourself out of the way and recognize that it's all around you and you can't think your way to a mystical experience because consciousness is not rigid or static or fixed.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And you can't be in a conscious, say, beta brainwave state and, like you said, think your way into those other states, which are theta and delta states. So you have to have an altered state of consciousness to experience an altered state of consciousness. You have to have a different brainwave state to actually be able to experience that kind of different reality.
And you would know, Diane, from your work with the biofield, that another way that might help people to grasp the mind or the consciousness thing in a slightly more tangible way is that the auric field, as far as I'm concerned, is the mind field, to speak generally. So there are different layers of that field, as you know. To simplify the subject for people, what we call the auric field is literally the mind field. So the body is ensconced by the mind. It exists within a field of the mind.
And if you switch the body off, if you switch the brain off, which we have, I go way into that in book two, particularly with near-death experiences and that kind of stuff. But if you switch it off, then you have no other choice but to experience reality through those other levels of the mind. And so you're not sensing reality through a physical body anymore. So you're not tuned or resonant with the body. You're not in phase with it anymore. Now you're in phase with a slightly different order of reality.
And that's all we can ever really do. We're either tuned to one reality or tuned to another reality or tuned to the body reality. But that's all mind. It's all just different experiences of psyche.
[23:48] Brendan's Mystical Experiences
Diane: Right. Right. Have you ever had a mystical experience?
Brendan: Oh, yeah, for sure.
Diane: And when was your first mystical experience? Do you remember?
Brendan: Yeah, it wasn't long after I read that book that I was telling you blew my mind. That mind-opening process that the book created for me actually allowed me to have mystical experiences. And the first one I had was completely spontaneous. And I wrote about that, I think, in maybe Chapter 5 or something. I was just lying in bed one night and just drifting off to sleep. And then the next thing I know, boom, I'm infinity. That's all I can tell you, is I was infinite. And at the same time as being an infinite field of awareness, I still had a point of awareness within that. It was still me. So that was kind of an interesting paradox.
From there, I took up meditation for a couple of years and then I had some very much deeper kinds of mystical experiences that were more sustained and more controlled as I got used to being in that kind of state. So, yeah, it's a very interesting thing. I haven't meditated for a long time because I'm not really drawn to it anymore. I'm not really motivated by those types of experiences, at least at this point.
Diane: So what were your more sustained mystical experiences? What did that entail?
Brendan: Kind of a similar thing, but it was connected to my body. I was able to have the experience that expanded sort of infinite experience through my physicality. And what I was able to sense through that was, I could feel galaxies inside of me, in a kind of tangible way. And I know that sounds ludicrous, but it's sort of like the information of these other galaxies out there flowing through you. It's very difficult to describe that kind of thing.
Diane: Yeah, it is because it's so beyond words. And I get that. It's like anyone that's ever had an NDE. I've tested that with people just coming on my podcast and it's always the same deal. It's like, I can't even explain it. And there are no words to ultimately describe it. It's like the Tao, the moment you put a name on it or you call it something, you've lost it.
Brendan: Yeah. Yeah.
Diane: And in your book, you also talk about how, which I think is really important to the mystical experience, even having a hard time to describe that, we are constantly, our perception is always being edited by the mind. So it's like Krishnamurti said, the moment there is an eye between the observer and the observed, there's separation, there's division. And as long as there's division, you won't really get the truth. So it's like the moment you try to describe it, it's the I describing the one. That's infinity. And it's kind of like you're already in a lie. So I get that. I get that.
[26:55] Kundalini Awakening
Diane: Have you experienced your kundalini awakening?
Brendan: I guess. Not in a full-on, feeling that heat going up the spine kind of thing. I've had people who've worked with me with the sound stuff, like the Regenetics Method, Sol's work, who have had that kind of thing. My partner Aimee, when I did it for her, she had the classic symptoms, almost spiralling up around her spine, up her back. As the energy was going up, it would hit blockages or whatever. And she would have some discomfort there and then it would move through. And it was up either side of the spine. It was classic Kundalini symptoms. So some people have, but tangibly in my case, not so much.
Diane: Yeah. Maybe it was before you even got here and then it just was like, okay, I don't need that.
Brendan: I think you never know. I don't know. It's such a personal thing.
Diane: It is such a personal thing. And I've never really asked anybody that question, but it just felt sort of organic to ask you that as we were talking about physical experiences. Because sometimes that is a touchstone point for people. It's like, well, once I experienced Kundalini, then I knew this was that. I experienced my Kundalini.
You'd think, I've been to India a bunch of times. I've had these incredible spiritual teachers or gurus or masters, whatever you want to call them. And there's something different to each person. But you'd think it's always going to be something like that. I'm in a temple. I'm doing the Kriya. And it's like I was at a yoga workshop with John Friend. He doesn't even know this story. And back when this form of yoga that he was teaching was very popular and then it all kind of went to s***. But there's still people doing it, but when he was the leader of the sort of organization, I thought he was a phenomenal teacher. I'm just going to put that out there.
But I was in a room with about, I don't know, 300 people. And I thought he was walking around with a feather, like a peacock feather.
Brendan: I know.
Diane: And just putting it on people's spines and just kind of brushing it ever so lightly up and down people's spines. So we're doing a meditation and I start feeling like this water rippling up and down my spine. And I'm like, oh, that's him. Rubbing a peacock feather. He wasn't walking around with a peacock feather. But for some reason, I thought, he's got a feather. And no, I opened my eyes after a couple of minutes of experiencing this, which was pretty profound. He's over on the other side of the gymnasium and doing his thing.
Brendan: That's it, that feeling of a feather being just tickling your back, or you might get a tingling sensation up on your skin, that kind of stuff. You're talking about that. Bioelectricity being activated and that can feel like a million different things. So I've had those types of things, but if you wanted to narrow it down to a really rigid kind of "this is what Kundalini feels like", the heat going up the spine, well, maybe not that side of it, but other variations on the theme, yeah.
Yeah, I think there's probably, we're infinite, there's infinite possibilities on the theme. It doesn't have to necessarily. That perhaps happened through the sushumna, that cord in the spine.
Diane: It makes me think, in your book, you talk about many mystics know about the silver cord that originates from the pineal gland and it connects you to the higher dimensional realities or to the heavens or whatever you want to call it. Well, in my teaching, we know it is the golden thread. Just another name for a different thing. So you just see that things, it's like the game telephone. So just from a simple example like that, there is an infinite possibility of possibilities of spiritual awakening experiences. And it doesn't have to look like, again, Kundalini rising going up the spine. It could be through a near-death experience. It could be just from falling in love. It could be from a myriad of different sort of things that act like a spiritual tuning fork, you know?
Brendan: Yeah.
[31:30] Quantum Theories and Interconnectedness
Diane: In your book, you talk a lot about these quantum theories, string theory, the Bell theorem, which I thought was really cool. Scalar technology and so many others that I probably can't even remember or pronounce at the time right now. But out of all these theories, out of all these quantum sort of principles, which one just fascinates you or excites you the most right now as far as where we're going? And how it can help us heal or transform humanity again or bring us into a new world or a new earth.
Brendan: That's a really interesting question. So, ignoring the fact that I'm pretty rusty. I think the basic thing, the basic teaching down through the ages has always been the fundamental interconnectedness of everything. The quantum mechanics discussion, that's what quantum theory has basically led us back to, is that ancient truth, which is we're all in this system interconnected with one another. We are part of the same system. There is no separation. There are no islands. There are no islands in a plasma universe, as they say.
We've got this kind of energetic ecology that we're all in, which we have a sort of responsibility to collectively to each other. And that has nothing to do with the kind of mentality that makes people believe delusional things like you need to inject yourself with poison so I'll be safe. I'm talking about the simple basic truth that in a system of energy, it's either more coherent or less coherent. And that interconnectedness we can use to choose to make it more coherent if we want to and feed our intention in that direction and create that coherence, creates conditions that most sane people would say are an improvement on things, whether it's simply feeling more calm or more serene or, like the Maharishi experiments showed, a decrease in crime by just a small group of people meditating in that area.
That, to me, is a fundamental place to start, which circles back to the whole discussion on what's that critical threshold in creating that irreversible change, that state change in the system. But that's it. We can do some very interesting things. We can push things in a direction that works for us, knowing full well that we are being manipulated and there is a frequency war going on where they're trying to keep us in those low-frequency states to maintain the chaos and maintain the fear. And we get to choose to step out of that.
[34:32] Manipulation and Mind Control
Diane: Yeah. What do you say to people who think they're not being manipulated? Maybe nothing, but.
Brendan: Yeah, generally nothing. Anyone who thinks they're not being manipulated is someone, in my experience, who has also not learned how to listen. And those things generally go together. So when you have someone who thinks, the thing is, right, the mind control system that we are born into is designed to make us think that we're not being mind controlled. You've got a few different things to contend with. You've got the fact that people are deluded that they're not being mind controlled. Then they're being intentionally dumbed down. They're not being taught how to think critically. They're not being taught how to listen. And then you go and try, you want to try and tell that person, hey, you're being manipulated. It just doesn't work.
Diane: Right, right.
Brendan: [section omitted] But we'll shut down all the grocery stores and the businesses. But hey. We'll keep the liquor stores open and the weed stores open. And yeah, we'll just in a coffee shop. So we've got to keep the Starbucks open. And then we can just blow out everybody's limbic systems so they can just be totally in their fight or flight and fear and just keep plugging them with the story that is the narrative. And I don't need to go into what the narrative is. Everybody's got a TV. Most people have a TV, unfortunately. Fortunately, like baseball. Or an internet connection. And then you've got the best news possible. You know exactly what's going on.
Diane: Right. Right. You're right. You're right. That's the system. It's quite ingenious what they've set up. Because once people are in fear, like you're describing, you can't give them information. You can't give them a new perspective. You can't reason with someone who's in fear because their subconscious is screaming at them, stick with the bigger herd, stay with the pack, because if you don't, if you have a different thought, you'll be the one, the lone stag or whatever that gets pounced on by the line. That's what's happening in there. That's neurologically, you can't work with that.
So what we have to do, when the situation starts to calm a bit, like it has in certain places. [section omitted] And then that's our opportunity to actually make some headway while things are a little bit calmer, because when they ramp it up, you just. You just kind of got to duck for cover and hope that the zombie masses don't take you out.
Brendan: Truth is crazier than fiction for sure.
[37:46] Staying Aware and the New Earth
Diane: Yeah, it's so bizarre. We live in such an interesting reality. I'm glad I'm aware of it because it makes life really interesting, and I'd rather be here and knowing about the whole s*** show circus that's going on than not know about it and live in the fantasy.
Brendan: Right.
Diane: And I would argue you know about it, you're conscious, you're clear, you're aware, you know what you know, so that you can be one of the lightworkers that can help to create this Maharishi effect, this energetic momentum that can start to spread and shift humanity. Yeah. [section omitted]
And you talk about in your book how the pineal gland has. I think it's 30 to 300 crystals, microcrystals and more crystals than I think any other part of the body. It picks up these piezoelectric charges. It reacts to electromagnetic signalling. So we can feel, we can intuit, we can use our higher mind to sort of precognise our future, right? I'm losing my train of thought here. Oh, shoot. I had a really good point. It will come back to me.
[39:19] Non-Locality and Entanglement
Diane: But yeah, we'll come back to it. But I'll throw in this to the mix because when I was asking you the sort of leading question, which is what is the most important principle of the quantum that you think is going to really help humanity or we need right now or is really getting you up out of your chair and excited? And you answered beautifully.
For me, when I read your book, I really sat with this quote that has to do with non-locality. And this is from two researchers or scientists named Kuttner and Rosenblum. And I'm just going to read it for people to listen to as they're driving in their car or drinking their non-caffeinated herbal tea. So that they can calm down and receive. My tone of my podcast is ever-evolving, Brendan. Here we go.
Quote, in principle, any two objects that have ever interacted are forever entangled. The behaviour of one instantaneously influences the other. An entanglement exists even if the interaction is through each of the objects having interacted with a third object. In principle, our world has a universal connectedness.
And when we talk about Bell's Theorem, this was labelled the most profound discovery, quote unquote, in science by physicist Henry Stapp. I would agree with that, that we are all connected. So maybe this brings me back to what I was saying, so that you know what you know, so that you can serve this primordial web of humanity to bring us into a more elevated connectedness.
Brendan: I like that. I like that. I think that's what we're all doing, right? All of us who are doing this kind of work, whether it's biofield tuning or writing your book, it's all contributing to an elevated awareness, which would actually result, when you hit the critical mass, it will result in a very different state of living for us, the possibility of a very different and very elevated state of living.
[41:55] Brendan's Current Book
Diane: Yeah. What's the book you're working on right now?
Brendan: I'm just finishing the second half of The Grand Illusion. So it's book two, part two.
Diane: And where are we going with that one?
Brendan: Well, it's basically a logical continuation of where I left off with book one. The very deep dive into the near-death stuff, the out-of-body stuff. With book one, I kind of kept one foot in the third dimension, if you like, and the other foot was out of it, whereas in book two, it's like both feet are out, very definitely, and we're sort of exploring the other layers of reality where we inhabit, the other layers of the afterlife, what's possible, the different perspectives on reincarnation and the research around that. Our alien cells are the versions of ourselves that exist on different dimensions and this kind of stuff.
So the thing I really try to do is look at it in a way and write about it in a way that transcends the limitations that most writers, most authors in these subjects, kind of.
Adhering to without necessarily even being aware that they are being limited, and to transcend those blind spots and really put things together in a bit of a different way.
So I like to take a more meta approach to things in general. If you have a 40,000 foot view of something, you can see things that you can't see if you're stuck down on the ground.
Diane: For sure. Well, in your first book, you give a lot of great anecdotal evidence and reference points, so much that you really do a great job, I would imagine, for someone who has some doubt, to eradicate as much doubt as possible. And you do a brilliant job with that.
[43:57] Near-Death Experiences and Integration
Diane: Also with near-death experiences, have you ever had a near-death experience yourself?
Brendan: Not yet, no.
Diane: Are you looking forward to it?
Brendan: Well, from all accounts, it's the most amazing thing that ever happens to anyone. So evidently there's nothing to actually be worried about.
Diane: Definitely the most beautiful thing that's ever happened, from at least what I've learned talking to people. But the common thread is, too, that it's the most difficult integration, reintegration, because forever they now have one foot here and one foot there, and they really have a hard time integrating here.
Brendan: Yeah, that's right. It's a long process. It's been written about quite a lot. So I do talk about that more in book two, and the parallels between those people who have the near-death experience versus people who have a shamanic initiation experience, something of that nature. And the people who have, for want of a better word, abduction experiences, alien contact, close encounters of the fifth kind.
The aftermath of all of those types of experiences is very, very, very similar, regardless of the differences in the nature of the moment of the experience. What happens to people afterwards is, you know, a very long period of integration. They have a very different perspective on life and the meaning of life and what awaits us, you know, on the other side of the veil and all this kind of stuff. So it's a really interesting topic. There's a lot there.
[45:36] Contact Experiences Versus NDEs
Diane: The people that you talk about in your book that have these alien experiences, is there a particular race or breed of beings or multidimensional, higher dimensional beings that people?
Brendan: In that world, there are a number of beings that show up repeatedly.
Diane: Yeah, they get referenced repeatedly.
Brendan: So the interesting thing about that is I think a lot of those types of experiences are not well understood in general. I'll say that in general. I'm probably going to piss a lot of people off with this. But a lot of what happens in people's experiences in that realm, they tend to be more visionary types of experiences. And they're different to what a near-death experience is.
I was just having this conversation with a friend of mine, Nick, who's also a writer and very, very, very knowledgeable, very smart dude. And he's noticed the same thing, which is the near-death experiences seem to be taking people into, if you want to call it the collective unconscious, or if you want to call it, you know, the spirit world, whatever terminology you want to employ. A real insight into the actual nature of what's on the other side of the veil kind of thing.
Whereas a lot of the visionary experiences and people having, you know, contact with what they are experiencing as aliens and what have you, that tends to be more of a, if NDEs give you an insight into the mind and the brain of what's really going on under the surface, the other side of the equation is giving you an insight into the dreams, the dreamscape and the fantasies of the collective.
So there's a very interesting dichotomy between the two, and those two worlds generally don't meet. There's quite a few contradictions there between them. It's a huge thing to try and look at from a higher vantage point and go, how does this fit together? Does it fit together?
And so I think there's often a lot of misunderstanding around the nature of those contact experiences. I just think that they're inherently difficult to pin down, and what seems to be happening on the surface level isn't necessarily what's actually going on, even though it might be a very powerful experience. And, you know, it's a valid experience. It's just a matter of, you know, pulling back and interpreting things from that 40,000 foot place.
Diane: Right. I totally get that. And if you're trying to interpret an experience that is from another dimension, and you're trying to interpret using the laws of physics in this dimension, in this body, I can only imagine the difficulty with that kind of download.
[48:35] Seth Speaks and Meeting Halfway
Brendan: Yeah, that's right. And there's a great channeled book called Seth Speaks.
Diane: Oh, right. Yeah, you would know about it for sure.
Brendan: Jane Roberts channeled it. And Seth, the Seth intelligence or entity, makes the point with this kind of stuff, talking about these kinds of experiences, in terms of what we would call an alien consciousness, trying with that other dimensional consciousness, trying to then come into our reality to interact with us, they have to take on a sort of camouflage in a sense, because their natural form is not something that exists here.
We, by the same token, we have to meet them, if you like, halfway. And so we end up in a place that is neither here nor there. And it's kind of a beyond that doesn't belong anywhere. And it doesn't fit any of our established categories. So it's a really sort of nuanced exploration and discussion to have. Trying to pin that stuff down is really messy.
And I think a lot of what we see, definitely a lot of what we see in that realm, is a lot of cultural stuff like pop culture, you know, figures from movies, TV shows, this kind of stuff. They start showing up in these experiences and you go, oh, I can see where that came from. You know, it's like you source that, but the collective mind, the collective unconscious, uses that kind of symbolism and these figures and images as part of its evolving storyline of what's going on.
But it's more of a dreamscape fantasy world than an actual, this is how it is kind of on the other side of the veil. And it's teasing that stuff apart, separating them out and going, okay, this is the real deal. This is that astral Star Wars fantasy world, which has been evolving. It's been changing and developing over the decades, and you can see it in the books that these people who've had the visionary experiences with these other intelligences write. They keep evolving the storyline, and if you pull back and read enough of it, you can sort of see it unfolding, and it gets more intricate and more characters show up and the storyline gets more, the plot line gets more and more convoluted and sophisticated, but it's still. Most of what's going on, you know, might piss people off, but most of it is actually nonsense.
[50:59] Diane's Praying Mantis Healing
Diane: I would agree with that. You know, I had a healing with a woman some years ago, and this was before I even knew about these particular beings that have been written about by many people, but I had never experienced this. I'd never heard of it. It was never in my conscious awareness or knowledge. And I was having healing, and all of a sudden, this massive praying mantis-like surgeon comes in and he's just pulling out some stuff and sewing me up. I had a sensorial experience where I could feel almost like it was a tolerable, it wasn't painful, but it was a tolerable sensorial feeling of a burning, almost like a laser that didn't have pain.
And I felt myself being sewed up, and this guy had to be, I don't know, 12, 10 feet tall? And he was huge. And so, of course, in my mind, I'm going, okay, I'm having this experience of this praying mantis with these incredible, incredible sort of skilled hands that are fingers, whatever they were, moving at light speed. And it's totally loving.
But if you looked at this from going with that collective unconscious you're talking about, which I don't even know if that's out there in the collective unconscious, as I don't, you know, I never knew about these, right? The mantis is, yeah. Okay. I mean, I know people have had these experiences, but growing up, I never knew about these praying mantises. And if I looked at it just from sort of my basic self-level brain stuff, I'd be terrified. But I was in this state of being completely sort of suspended in a higher awareness. And it was absolute divine love in action, doing a service to whatever he was doing to my body or my field or who knows what matrix.
[53:17] Shamanic Initiation and Ancient Parallels
Brendan: Yeah. What you're describing is classic shamanic material. And I talk about this a lot in book two, because it's so interesting to me that people have that kind of experience, exactly what you just described.
If you go back, you know, millennia into the shamanic traditions around the world, like the Australian originals, when they had their initiations, they would be taken to or they would venture into this other world like the sky world. Sometimes it would be acted out by the medicine men in the flesh, but other times they would ritually insert crystals into their bodies, they would perform this so-called surgery on them. And that might be, you know, the witch doctor, so to speak, doing it there in the flesh. But also they would venture out into the, you know, astral, whatever you want to call it. And they would have that experience out of body and they would have crystals put in them. They'd be opened up, have their innards replaced by magical, you know, power stones like crystals.
That's exactly the kind of thing that has been going on for millennia. And it's still happening to people, like you just described your own experience in the, I guess, 21st century.
Diane: Two years ago.
Brendan: It's still going on. So there's something really, really interesting. And as far as I can tell, at least from the material I've seen, it didn't used to be that it was done by, say, praying mantis type beings. It was, you know, another kind of being. It might have been the medicine man. It might have been the sky god figure. You know, we talk about the bearded man on the cloud that, you know, the Christians, that inhabits the Christian psyche. But that concept itself can be traced back thousands of years to the Australian originals, for example. There's nothing really new under the sun.
It's a really interesting thing to start pulling on these threads. And, you know, Jacques Vallée did massive research into the contact phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon. And he found that, you know, what, what's going on is like the fairies, what we used to experience as fairies or nature spirits and this kind of stuff, those experiences are still happening, but they happen in a different guise, in a different form now. And so we're having contact with little grey aliens or reptilians or mantis beings and very similar types of experiences. On the surface level, some things have changed, but the transformational shamanic aspects have stuck around for sure.
[55:45] A UFO Over Los Angeles
Diane: Yeah. And it seems like now, I could be wrong, it seems like now more and more people are actually having contact experiences. And I don't think it's just because we have the internet. I mean, the internet's been around for a while, but it seems like more and more people are having experiences.
I remember my son's 11, when he was about three, there was a huge, I'm talking like Space Odyssey 2001, huge UFO in LA, in Los Angeles. Kind of over the city, like I live in the valley, so it's like in the valley sort of freeway. I mean, it had to be the size of like six football fields or something. It was massive. And you see the lights go around, people are driving. I had him in the car seat because he couldn't sleep, so we would go on drives. And we're going on a drive.
And he said, not me, I didn't even see it, because I'm thinking, oh, there's a car accident, because people are driving like 10, 5 miles an hour on the freeway. And he says, mommy, look at the spaceship. What? And people are literally pulling over, getting out of their car and taking pictures. And my friend calls me and he's like, do you see it? And I said, yeah, this thing. It's like you're in your own live living dream. But my three-year-old at the time, he had enough, he had that cognition to go, this is not what I've seen before. And this is otherworldly.
[57:33] Her Son's Past Life in Australia
Diane: I might add to your point of your new book, you're talking about past lives. He, and you being Australian, interesting, he talked a lot about his past life growing up in Australia. And he went through a period where he was missing his parents.
And I would say, well, what's your dad's name again? He'd say, get really upset. He'd say, I told you, it's Fury. I would try to look up these, his mother was Mary and his father was Fury, Fury. And he'd say it with his best Australian accent. It was really adorable.
And he talked about that lifetime in detail and how he was an alcoholic and he took himself out. And this is at four years old. And he talked about before that, about being in New York City and being a fireman. And we would go to the fire stations because, of course, every little boy's into fire trucks. And he could get under the fire truck and he would point out and name all these parts. And the fire chief would say, did you teach him that? And I said, no, I don't even know what he's talking about. I don't even know what the axle is. And he could describe parts of a fire engine that I didn't even know existed. So two really cool experiences to throw in the mix.
Brendan: You can't argue. You can't argue with that. There's a lot of that out there. There's definitely a very strong case for, if not a linear reincarnational process, a parallel incarnational process where we live all these lives simultaneously. But then it looks like to each individual life in their reference frame, it looks like it's a serial thing one after the other. But from a higher dimensional viewpoint, it's all happening at once. But either way, no matter which way you slice it, it's definitely something very, very interesting going on for sure.
Diane: Yeah. I'm thinking in some life I'm living on the most amazing island where I'm just body surfing, gliding with my feet and I don't need a surfboard and I'm just eating sunlight.
Brendan: That tastes delicious, by the way.
Diane: Tastes like strong rays.
Brendan: Yeah, I'm all for that.
[1:00:12] Where to Find Brendan
Diane: Well, Brendan Murphy, you are a delight. Thank you for going on this spiritual jog with me and answering all these questions and more. Can you tell us a bit about what you're up to other than this second book that you're writing? What are you doing in Australia? How can people find you?
Brendan: Well, they can find me through Truth Network, which we created, a Facebook alternative called Truth, T-R-O-O-T-H. When we got censored, our page was taken down in June 2018. So the writing was on the wall at that point. So people can find me there at Truth Network or my podcast is brendandmurphy.com, spelt T-R-U-T-H-I-V-E-R-S. Or brendandmurphy.com. I'm on all the socials, Instagram and Facebook and all the usual stuff as well, so you can look me up there. Yeah, I'm not hard to find.
Diane: I will say it's Brendan, D-R-E-N-D-A-N, right?
Brendan: That's right.
Diane: B-E-E.
[1:01:15] Surfing in Australia and Sign-Off
Diane: Awesome. Well, thanks a million. And when I make my way to Australia, I'm going to look you up.
Brendan: Oh, yeah. We're going to hang out.
Diane: Perfect. Are you surf?
Brendan: Sorry?
Diane: Do you surf?
Brendan: I have done it once before, so we can give it a crack.
Diane: I'm up for that. Hey, once is better than none.
Brendan: Yeah, right.
Diane: You're on a board. It's enough.
Brendan: It's enough.
Diane: Awesome. Well, thanks so much, Brendan, and I'll see you around the bend.
Brendan: All right. Thanks, Diane. I've enjoyed it. We'll chat soon.
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