Nature of Reality Radio
Andrew Fischer of Nature of Reality Radio interviews Brendan D. Murphy
Brendan D. Murphy joins Andrew Fischer to explore the nature of reality — consciousness, the Grand Illusion, and the evidence that points beyond the materialist account.
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[0:00] Technical Check and Housekeeping
Brendan: Can you hear me?
Andrew: Yeah, I can hear you.
Brendan: Can you hear me?
Andrew: Yeah, yeah, you're clear, mate. We just have a bit of a delay.
Brendan: Oh, yeah. I noticed. It was interesting.
Andrew: When I connected with you, your icon said that you were away, but now it says you're here. You're online. I don't understand how Skype works that way, but it's great to have you on. Hopefully, this is not an omen for the possibility that we're going to be, oh, I see the away icon came up on your Skype thing again. Is there a reason for that?
Brendan: Oh, actually, no, I'm going to set it to Do Not Disturb so no one else can sort of bother me.
Andrew: Okay. Oh, that's what that is. Okay. The Do Not Disturb logo. I see that. All right.
Brendan: But you can still communicate with me.
Andrew: Okay. That's good to know. I'm sorry. I'm not really an expert on all these things. I still have a bad feeling that if anybody calls into the show, it might cause all hell to break loose on Michael Vara of Light Night in the Midlands. He's had problems when people call into his show on Skype. But if anybody does want to call and ask you questions, again, I'm going to get this out. Call in number 215-297-4058. I picked that number because it's numerologically equivalent to 7, which, based on my research, is the best number for a radio show. That calls will not be taken until an hour from now at 715 Eastern.
[1:15] Introducing Brendan and The Grand Illusion
Andrew: So with that being said, I'm glad to have you on. I think someone recommended me to you. I'm not exactly sure who. Maybe I heard you from somewhere else. I don't know. I just hear some names, look at what people have done, and I say, ah, this is definitely someone I want to get on my show. And when I saw that you're author of a book called The Grand Illusion of the Synthesis of Science and Spirituality, immediately I thought, aha, this is someone I definitely need to get on my show to help me. Decode and deduce the nature of reality because no one has a more difficult time understanding the nature of reality than me. That is why I am the host of this show. No surprise there.
So with that being said, interesting here it says book one. So maybe there's a significance behind that. Maybe you've written more books. So I guess I'll give you the chance for people that haven't heard of you. You can tell your life story, specifically what happened in your life that caused you to do the research that you do regarding science and spirituality, DNA activation and all the rest of it, and then give us a nice little abridged version of this Grand Illusion book. And if there is more than one book, by all means enlighten us on what the other books are about.
[2:21] How Brendan Came to This Research
Brendan: All right. Awesome. Well, yeah, again, thanks for having me, mate. I'm really cool to be here.
So basically what happened, the reason I started writing this kind of stuff is because when I was about, I think about 19, in the book I say 19 to 20 because quite frankly I couldn't recall exactly when, but my brother was still in high school and he came home one day and said, we had this guy and he's like a young entrepreneur and he was talking about business and making money and also he was talking about this book and he went on and on and on about this book and he said it was called The Holographic Universe.
And you would know that book by Michael Talbot, I'm sure. He was a physicist. He's dead now, but he wrote this book in around '92. And it was a really paradigm-shifting book. And I sort of put what my brother said in the back of my mind and I said, oh, yeah, I'll get around to it. I'll come back to it. And it took me, I think it took me six months or so to finally go and read this thing. And when I did, the timing must have been just right because it completely imploded my brain. And all of my ideas about reality and what was real and what was possible in the world were just dismantled.
And my outlook, my upbringing was kind of like a kind of, my parents weren't religious, but I still went to an Anglican high school. And in primary school as a kid, we had sort of these scripture classes. So I had received a sort of level of Christian sort of indoctrination as I went along, just sort of incidentally. And it was kind of like my outlook was this kind of materialist Christian hybrid kind of worldview and not something that I've ever really put any thought into, obviously. It was just sort of imbibed passively through the culture and that book by Michael Talbot just destroyed everything, just levelled it and it completely opened my mind to possibility.
And not long after that, what I did from there was I just, I mean, I read that book three or four times just to soak it up. And then I started reading other books and stuff like The Tao of Physics by Capra. And I just kept going on this kind of tangent trying to get to the sort of the bottom of what's going on here and what we are and where we are, what we exist in.
[4:40] An Experience of Infinite Consciousness
Brendan: The experience of having my mind opened, I think, by that book was what allowed me to, not long afterwards, experience an altered state of consciousness where I was the entire universe. I sort of had this experience when I was lying in bed one night. I was just waiting to go to sleep. And I don't know how or why, but I just experienced being infinite consciousness. So something without beginning, without end, everywhere at once for infinity. And it was just the most vast sort of sensation, there's no way you can verbalise this stuff. You know, all the mystics throughout time have said, you know, you can't adequately use language to convey this kind of experience. So we kind of muddle along and do the best we can.
But that solidified the model that I had started to build after reading Talbot's book, that solidified it and grounded it in an experiential reality. So it locked me into this path of going down the rabbit hole and trying to figure out what was what. So that's kind of, I never looked back. I just kept reading. I kept researching and kept reading and recording my ideas, highlight and underline things as I go in books. My books are just absolutely wrecked. I buy everything secondhand so I don't destroy nice books.
[5:58] Writing The Grand Illusion, Book One
Brendan: And so that's basically the sort of background of why I've got this book one out, which is The Grand Illusion, book one. And it was a process. I spent at least five years full-time researching and writing as I went. And I ended up with such a massive body of material that I had to keep cutting books out of it. So I ended up with this massive of pages and it was absurd.
And because I didn't start with a direction, I didn't really know when I started writing. I didn't have a clear agenda of what exactly I was trying to convey. I just had something to convey. And it took five years, over five years, to actually hone that down and then figure out, okay, well, I'll chip away at this, I'll take this out, I'll take this out. And I ended up taking out about six books of material and what was left in the end was The Grand Illusion, Book One.
[6:52] Schrodinger's Cat and Observation
Andrew: Thank you. And regarding the holographic reality that we are in. There's a little experiment that was done where some guy tried to make sense of how the holographic reality that we are in works. And that is what's known as the Schrodinger's Cat Experiment. Basically, a cat in a box did with some sort of vile, poisonous liquid or something. The vile of liquid breaks, poisons the cat. And you have to determine, is the cat dead or alive? And the answer, according to Schrodinger's cat, is it's both. It's the sum of the cat being alive and dead. And you think, well, that doesn't make any sense. Well, one would assert that the reality is entirely dependent on the observation of looking at Schrodinger's cat.
However, Andrew Basiago, time traveler and whistleblower who I had on my show, he claims that Schrodinger's cat is flawed. That's not actually how reality works. I mean, Einstein was once asked, is the moon really there if nobody looks at it? Can we be sure it's there? Well, according to Andrew Basiago, who rejects Schrodinger's cat, he says, yes, even if nobody looks at the moon, nobody's observing it, it's still there. Because reality is a certain way. You don't affect it so much as you can get involved in a timeline. You can't change the timeline by so much affecting it as much as you play a role. It exists in a certain way and you just come in to play a role in it. So for that reason, he rejects Schrodinger's cat.
I think I'm not getting on everything in great detail exactly here. People may want to check out my interview with him to understand exactly how he said it. But in general, he did say, I don't think Schrodinger's cat is real because it has nothing to do with, I mean, you can obviously change the universe by observing it like the double slit experiment showed. But this is something completely different. He's basically saying the universe still exists in such a way you're just playing a role by getting involved in it, but you're not changing it in the way that the Schrodinger's CAT experiment suggests. So do you agree or disagree with that idea?
Brendan: I'm sympathetic, actually, to what Andrew says there, because that's never sat well with me, the idea that observation is creating reality. I don't like it. And we've got all these different quantum sort of theories and interpretations of that kind of material and I don't like the idea of, you know, some people have put forward the notion that we observe and what happens when we observe or make a measurement is we create an entirely separate universe. It branches off from this one. So it's kind of, it's a related sort of idea to what Andrew's saying, but it's different and it's not. I don't like that either.
I think it's more accurate to say that there is an infinity of existences of three-dimensional universes that exist and we are simply influencing one. We are, if you like, sort of collapsing, quote unquote, into one particular timeline, one particular observation. The others all continue to exist and play out in their parallel. We're not creating them. We're not creating separate realities. That's kind of how I look at it.
[10:18] The Yin-Yang Symbol
Andrew: All right, and I heard you mention the Tao earlier in your little intro there. This is an area that I've heard a constant debate on whether it is a good idea or a bad idea to focus on the whole yin-yang symbol, whether it makes sense to do that, because that's a symbol frequently associated with Taoism. However, people like Lily Earthling would say that the yin-yang symbol, because it symbolises duality, utilising that symbol will keep you stuck in this matrix of 3D reality. While on the other hand, others would assert that's kind of a really sad and pathetic way of looking at it. There's a lot more beauty and a lot more wonderful things with the yin-yang symbol that would definitely make it worthwhile to utilise it.
So to suggest that you shouldn't because it can keep you trapped in a matrix is just makes much sense of saying that the swastika is bad because the Nazis used it. The swastika. It has been interpreted that way because of the way the Nazis have twisted it. So basically the same thing with yin-yang. So how do you see this issue of to use the yin-yang symbol or not use it? That is the question.
Brendan: Well, people use symbols however they choose to use them for whatever their purpose is. I don't use any symbolism personally. It sounds that that idea about this, that negative take on the yin-yang, that sounds like one of these sort of ascensionist kind of people who's trying to transcend to the 4, sorry, to 5D, because that's kind of the new religion we've got going is, oh, you're so 5D, we want to go 5D now, we're trying to get to the 5th dimension and bring that in here and manifest the 5th dimension and all this kind of stuff. And it's kind of this quasi-religious movement now and it's really, really heavily pushed in the sort of UFO, alien contact whistleblower kind of community. And I'm really not into it.
And I don't, by the same token, I think that that kind of negative, imbuing a symbol like the yin-yang symbol with that kind of negative connotation is really just silly and in itself it is that whoever's saying this stuff is stuck in duality already by the fact that they're polarised by the symbol and they're polarising it. It's just a symbol. It actually represents. It's a two-dimensional representation of a three-dimensional implosive vortex. That's what the yin-yang symbol actually is. So that's why you've got the black and the white and the white and the black.
It's hard to explain because it's much easier if you can watch a video animation of it, which Nassim Haramein has done. Those guys have actually done an animation that demonstrates and makes it very easy to grasp the concept that it's actually a vortex point. And the white dot at the top or bottom is the top of the vortex where information flows in and the black dot is where the information flows out. And that's how it plays out. So what it is is a model of, if you like, it's a model of how our reality works at subatomic levels because everything ultimately is simply comprised of vortices. They're just little vortexes that are imploding information into them and building this sort of so-called physical construct, which is not physical at all. It's just 99% empty space and it's made the only thing in it, the only thing that exists for us in this reality is actually just these little nano-tornadoes that spin around in their geometrical formations with one another create the appearance of a physical reality, which is actually the absence of, if you like, it's kind of like being in a fish tank.
If you blow a bubble of water in the fish tank, the bubble looks like a particle, but it's actually the absence of water. So our reality is analogous to that. We've got these particles that are actually the absence of the background etheric medium, or hyperspace, or whatever you want to call it, this liquid-like kind of hyperspace. Informational substrate that births our reality. So that's a more grounded scientific take on what yin-yang is and what it represents. It's actually the thing that builds our reality.
And I would think that the great thing about it is that it's a symbol of unity. It's not at all about duality. It's a symbol of unity. It's the one, the white is in the black, the black is in the white, the two opposite polarities are contained within the one whole, the same system. It's a system. And you're in it, whether we like it or not. We're here in 3D.
Andrew: What is the problem with that? We've got lives to live. We have realities to create. We are absolutely creators of reality. The question is, what do we want to create? Let's just get on with it. We don't need to buy into these sort of quasi-religious movements that are trying to get us to ascend to other dimensions and things. I'm not into that at all, mate.
Brendan: Yes, I'm not really into that either.
Andrew: Well, I am and I'm not. It depends on the circumstance. We'll get into a little bit of that later on in regards to the whole ascension deception, if you know what I mean to think. I think that makes for great radio.
[15:30] Soul, Spirit and Consciousness
Andrew: But there's some other things I want to discuss with you before then, and that is the whole difference, if there is a difference between soul, spirit and consciousness.
Now, according to George Kavassilas, who I have the utmost respect for, and use him as a source frequently, I interviewed him twice, once on my show, once in a private session. He asserts there is a difference between soul and spirit, contrary to what some cultures that say, they're just two different forms of the same thing. He says there is a difference. He says that soul is the is-ness of everything that is, and consciousness, which is the awareness of being aware, emanates from soul. And he also says that spirit emanates from soul. And he refers to spirit as specific points and points. Beams, you could say, or fuels, fires, spears of energy. Like he says spear, it can be a play on the word spear, like you're throwing a spear at it. In this case, part of a soul is forming a spear that's coming out of soul and is going to some place and some time in some way to affect someone, something or some reality. That is what he basically sees is the difference between soul and spirit. Spirit is more focused and precise. Soul is just the is-ness.
However, there's others, like I said, that would say they're one and the same. And I guess while people used to think that soul comes from consciousness, it seems that nowadays more people are inclined to say that consciousness comes from soul. However, some would hear, well, wait a minute, wait a minute. Infinite love is the only truth. Infinite consciousness is everything. Everything else is just illusion. If we are infinite consciousness, then wouldn't it make sense to say that soul comes from consciousness? Well, apparently not. So for the people that are all confused about this, do you agree with the idea that spirit and consciousness come from soul? And if so, explain why you agree, and if not, explain why you disagree. You got the floor.
Brendan: Well, I would use a different lexicon, and I think everyone seems to do that anyway, everyone who has a model of reality expresses it with different language. And I have another friend who has probably said something quite similar to what you've outlined there of George's. And he, my friend, uses soul and spirit in exactly the opposite way to how I would personally. And that's why it's just pointless getting hung up on words.
I think it's actually useful. I found it useful anyway to go back to the established, if you like, traditional explanations or models and the language that are employed there, and then try to relate it to what we've got now in terms of the best information, the best science, the most cutting-edge sort of stuff, and bring it all together into a somewhat cogent whole. You could even look at Philip K. Dick and what he's done there, talking about the ground of reality he calls the Urgrund. And it's really just the same as the Hindu concept of Brahman, which is, some people would say, is spirit. But I don't personally like spirit and I'm not a huge fan of soul, even though they're useful terms in certain contexts.
What I would start with is as neutral a term as possible and say consciousness is the ground of reality, and consciousness in the sense I intend it has nothing to do with human mind, ordinary human mentation or perception. It's again that vastness, that completely impersonal vastness, that completely unitive awareness, the awareness that is, the awareness that doesn't do anything, it doesn't perceive anything, it just is everywhere, eternal, timeless. And it's kind of like the void concept. That's where I would start.
And what George has outlined, what you've outlined of George's, sounds to me very similar to the sort of theosophical model where you have the background fabric of reality. You call it Brahman or whatever you want. And then you have the monad, which is sort of like that soul spark, that initial spark of individualised point of awareness. And from there it shoots out rays down into the lower dimensions and it forms these lower vehicles of consciousness, lower vehicles like the causal body, the mental body, the astral, the emotional, the etheric and ultimately in 3D the physical body. It sounds kind of similar to what he's talking about. It's just a different way of putting it.
And I think that it's great to look at many, many different perspectives and start tying them all together so you can find the common threads and figure out what actually makes some rational sense and what's really, what comes together and fits and what doesn't. And that's why one of the reasons I do what I do is I'll try to cover every angle humanly possible and bring it together and synthesise it so that we have an up-to-date kind of rational view of or description of what reality is without getting stuck in individual systems of thought and biases and one guy's model's better than the other guy's or whatever. It's kind of my mentality is to try and go beyond those individual biases and bring things together on a scope that really hardly anyone else seems to be trying to do. And good old Brendan has stupidly taken on the task of doing what no one else seems to want to do, which is do that sort of overview, top down perspective of, OK, here are the different dots and here's what these people are saying. And let's start connecting them and see what emerges in the end. If you're just following one guy or another guy, you really end up getting sort of trapped by the limitations of their ideas and perceptions and their models. And that's one of the things that The Grand Illusion is designed to overcome is those individual perceptual limitations, I guess.
[21:53] Dimension and Density
Andrew: Yes, and another area somewhat related to this issue of using words and which word is better and whatnot, it makes great radio conversation, so I might as well discuss with you the whole idea behind dimension and density having a difference or a non-difference.
And the confusing thing about this is while some people say that dimension and density, they use the words interchangeably, using two different words for the same thing, others would say there is a difference between dimension and density and the difference is blah, blah, blah. But then another group of people would say, no, no, no, that's not right. The difference between dimension and density is not blah, blah, blah. The difference is yada, yada, yada.
Well, my point is that this is a subject that people will never be able to probably agree on because there seem to be so many different ideas regarding whether or not there is a difference and if there is a difference, what the difference is. So as someone who perhaps researches this stuff, could you help but make sense of why that is the case? Why is it that there is a group of people that would say the difference is blah, blah, blah, but another group that says the difference is yada, yada, yada, when it comes to dimension and density comparing and contrasting?
Brendan: Yeah, it's the old blah versus yada conundrum. I know it well. I would say my answer is a question. So my question is, well, what if all of this stuff that we're talking about, dimensions and densities and so on and so forth, is actually part of an information field that exists in the collective human consciousness? And what if it's just these ideas and stories that exist in the collective mind of humanity and people? What these kind of people are doing is overwhelmingly these personalities are tuning into the collective human unconscious. It's kind of like they're going into the astral planes and the mental planes or whatever, and they're having their own sort of idiosyncratic perceptions and experiences of this kind of infinite gestalt entity that can't be harnessed by one sort of perspective.
But what if the dimensional concept is just a form of interpretation of this information field that we find ourselves immersed in? What if maybe it's, maybe it's real, maybe it's not real, maybe this is a construct that we've imagined or we've created somehow. And the more minds that feed into any belief at all, any belief structure or any guru figure, any religious icon or whatever, the more minds that believe in it and invest in it, the more entrenched that reality becomes in those subconscious realms, in the astral planes and what have you. And the more people will tend to experience it like that. But that doesn't necessarily mean that that's how it is. Are you following me here?
Andrew: Yes, I am. And I'm always going to be on mute whenever you're talking, so there might be a delay in terms of response, just so you know.
Brendan: That's cool. No worries. Yeah, yeah. So hopefully that makes sense.
I do talk a lot about, in The Grand Illusion, I do talk a lot about dimensions and I do mention densities as well. And yeah, some people have equated them. In my mind, I've kind of got this very loose view, because I don't want to get stuck on any kind of model because they're all limited. But I've got this kind of, I conflate to a point, density with dimension. So third dimension is third density kind of thing. But without getting hung up on it, the dimensions could just be information that we are decoding as additional spatial dimensions. They may be there and also they may not be.
We have a lot of people going into experiences using hallucinogens or whatever technique they're using. Maybe they go and have these astral experiences and they experience a fourth spatial dimension and it blurs their mind and they're like, oh my god, this is more real than the 3D reality I was just in. And maybe that is actually the case. Maybe the third dimensional realm is enfolded within an infinite fourth dimensional realm and the fourth dimensional realm is enfolded within an infinite five dimensional realm. So we have all these infinities nested within one another. And whenever you're in an infinity like we are right now in three, third dimension, third density, it looks infinite from the internal perspective. And it is. But then if you go up a spatial level, spatial dimension or a density level, it looks finite because the next infinity is a bigger infinity, even though that sounds like a paradox. But that seems to be the nature of reality, seems to be this interesting paradox.
[26:40] DNA Activation and the 528 Hertz Solfeggio Frequency
Andrew: Indeed, it is a paradox in many ways. With that being said, I guess we'll move on to the whole DNA activation thing and why it is that certain sounds seem to work better for DNA activation than other sounds. What I'm referring to specifically is the whole 528 hertz Solfeggio frequency. There are, just like there's seven chakras, there's seven Solfeggio frequencies. Well, there can be more, but there's primarily, starting at 396 and then going all the way up to, I believe it's, what is it, 9 something, whatever it is. And a 528 is the one that seems to be associated with DNA activation. So why is that? Why is 528 hertz associated with DNA activation?
Brendan: Well, the system, I have to talk about the particular system that I use, because that system came from a guy in the U.S. called Sol Luckman and his partner. And they went through this quest of amazing proportions after he had a vaccine injury many years ago and it destroyed his immune system and he ended up spending 10 years trying to recover from that. In the end, what they did was they ended up kind of spontaneously downloading these information codes, which were these DNA activation codes. When I asked him, he said that he thought in the beginning, what they were doing was chanting the vowel, it's a vowel sequence, right? So let me just rewind. The codes are comprised of a vowel sequence, vowels, A, E, I, O, U, in all sorts of different randomised orders, and there's a line that you chant out loud and while you do that there's a line that you do internally in your mind, and they're different lines, they're completely different sequences. So this is a chant that goes on for about 25 minutes, 30 minutes maybe.
And he said to me that in the beginning they didn't use the Solfeggio forks for this, but they thought that they probably were actually chanting intuitively at about 528 anyway in that kind of key. So what they eventually did was incorporate the Solfeggio 528 and the rest of the Solfeggio tones. And from there we've got the Regenetics Method, which is what it's called. And that's what I do. I use those six fundamental Solfeggio tones, because that's that particular method. But the Solfeggio itself was used back in the Catholic Church centuries ago, and apparently it was the key or the tuning that the choirs would sing in.
Andrew: Apparently they were very popular.
Brendan: They were extremely popular and they would have very uplifting sessions when they would be singing their hymns and what have you. And the people loved it.
And then one of the popes may have taken a disliking to this and proceeded to ban the Solfeggio tuning. He changed it and he shook things up so that the hymns would no longer affect the people in the way that they were. People are wondering, was he trying to... Was the choir almost too powerful because people were enjoying the song so much?
Or we don't know, there just seems to be speculation on why the Pope at the time, and I'm having a mental blank on his name now, but why he buried it and stopped them from using that tuning.
And so it remained buried for centuries until apparently it was a bloke called Dr. Joe Puleo, who is a chiropractor based in Hawaii. He's a Christian. He was going through his own experiences and journey, and he ended up decoding, if you like, these passages in the Bible, Book of John, I think it was. He derived the numbers of the Solfeggio scale out of these different lines in the text. And so that was quite a sort of groundbreaking, if you like, rediscovery.
And from there, Dr. Len Horowitz has helped tell that story and get that information out in Healing Codes for the Biological Apocalypse. Excuse me.
And so there seems to be this sort of tradition, a Christian kind of tradition with the Solfeggio. No one really sort of knows why, at least not in the public domain. No one seems to know much about why it's so powerful or why 528 seems to resonate so much as a healing frequency. But it just seems to.
And what Horowitz was saying in his book was that Dr. Lee Lorenzen had communicated with him in private emails that scientists have been using 528 in the laboratory to repair DNA, but that information was not being allowed out into the public. So there's not a lot available in terms of scientific material to really explain what's going on here, but it seems to be a strange property, if you like, that these Solfeggio tones have, of really resonating with us biologically.
And I know it's not a coincidence that 528 is, if you look at the electromagnetic spectrum, that's kind of in the green section of the electromagnetic spectrum. And we are, the heart chakra supposedly resonates primarily green. I know that's an oversimplification, but when I'm doing these activations, we have sound. There's this sort of apparent link between sound and light.
And I don't tell people I'm going to do this heart sort of chakra activation when we do it in groups. I just go through the motions and then afterwards we discuss what have you experienced, how did it go for you kind of thing. And what tends to happen is we have two or three people say, oh, I just saw all this green energy pouring into my chest. And that's the 528 tuning fork, and I'm using my voice at the same time. So I think that's probably... The voice is articulating the vowel sequences, the code, the informational code, so that's the most important aspect. At 528 hertz, it's doing it, it's pumping this information into people and it's creating these transformational effects.
But that doesn't mean that other frequencies aren't useful as well. There's a huge movement around 432 because 432 is tied into the solar system's construction and the Earth-Moon-Sun relationships and the size of these bodies and distances from one another. 432, numerologically, is number nine, which is completion. It's a reassuring, sort of foundational, sort of comfort zone to it. And I've had people tell me, oh, I've had the most amazing healing experiences using 432. And I'm like, well, that kind of does make sense.
I personally am biased towards 528 because I've seen what these activations have done for people. Numerologically, 5 plus 2 plus 8 ends up giving you a 6 when you reduce it back down using the Pythagorean scheme, and that's kind of more of a number that's more to do with movement and transformation and progress, and you're moving. It's a more dynamic thing. It's not a completion number.
And that's why I kind of like the idea of using 428 as well as the other Solfeggio tones, because where we're at now, as humanity as a whole... I think that it makes sense for us to be using transformational techniques or numbers or frequencies or what have you because of where we're at. We've been so degenerated and so devolved for so long now that using 432 is great if you want to relax and whatever, and it can be used to heal. But to my way of thinking, from a kind of theoretical point of view, 528, number 6, it would seem to be more appropriate in getting us up out of the rut that we're collectively in and moving forward to sort of manifest our real, our true sort of divinity, that divine blueprint that we're supposed to embody. And that's what I'm seeing happen with these activations, actually helping people to embody that. And it's just, yeah, the feedback I've been getting is quite humbling.
Andrew: You're breaking up a little bit. I hope that's not Skype gremlins or the NSA trying to screw around with you and your great wisdom.
[35:56] What DNA Actually Is
Andrew: Anyway, moving on with DNA, people would like to make sense of what DNA actually is, because obviously the life science textbooks are not telling us the whole truth about what DNA actually is.
Now, mainstream science, I think more of it is right than wrong. It's just that it doesn't tell the whole truth, and that's really the problem. And that is such as the case with the science of what DNA is and how it actually works.
So for those people that are still confused about what DNA is, tell us all the stuff that's, well, first of all, briefly, the stuff that's in the mainstream science textbooks that you'll find in high school and college, and then all the stuff that the textbooks don't tell us about DNA, specifically the stuff the powers that be don't want us to know.
Brendan: Well, basically, as a lot of your listeners probably know, DNA is an electromagnetic antenna. It conducts electricity. It's a magnetic antenna as well. It's pulling information in and it is kind of the instructional template, if you like, at the physical level. I guess I think of it as the interface between the so-called morphic or morphogenetic field and the physical body, the physical processes.
We've got a lot of information on what it is and what it does. It's a fractal antenna. We've got all these interesting things going on. We've got the junk DNA. We've got the non-coding segments. We've got satellite DNA. We've got the jumping genes, the transposons and retrotransposons. We've got all this interesting stuff that is going on at that level that remodels and recodes bits and pieces of the genome.
And I think it was the satellite DNA that can be... Replicated capacity of the genome. We don't really know much about that sort of stuff at all, like that leading edge kind of material that's been coming through, it's quite, I guess at the end of the day, it's quite scant.
I don't even know how much I subscribe to the idea that the powers would be really, I'm sure there is material that's come through certain scientific think tanks or entities, maybe in the private realm. But I think we give too much credit to the puppet masters to control or withhold information. Most of the people who appear to run the show on this planet, you would have to say they're asleep. And we've got so much compartmentalisation going on between different...
But to come back to it, it's really... If I'm not speaking of cutting-edge, I'm going to get work as far as DNA and what it is. It's, he'll talk about braiding of the DNA and the way that it is imploding information. And he's got it down to a science, a real honed science there. So I give him a lot of credit. I talk a lot about the... In the book, in TGI, I mentioned the connection to the de-inactivation stuff.
But really, I don't think we have a very good picture at the moment in the public domain of what's going on here and why we have such an interesting situation, and ability to influence our genetics using an informational code based on the vowel sequence of our alphabet, for example. But we do know that intention is probably the most important component. And if you combine intention with the coherence of the heart, then you have the two ingredients necessary to really go in and reprogram DNA intentionally and consciously and edit your reality and alter your consciousness, because obviously genetic expression does have something to do with consciousness.
But yeah, I don't want to put myself in a position where I'm any kind of authority on the DNA and where we're at with it because I don't see a really good sort of grasp on it just yet. I've got different bits and pieces. Like I said, Dan Winter's a genius. His material on implosion physics and DNA and phase conjugation is essential reading, but not everyone's going to be into that because it's a bit cerebral for a lot of people.
[41:01] The Four Regenetics Activations
Andrew: Thank you. And I guess I'll give you the opportunity here to turn this show into a little bit of a sales pitch, if you want, talking about the specific types of individual DNA activations that you do. You got potentiation, articulation, elucidation. And Transcension at a glance. And there seems to be a little graph down here showing how long each one is and the potential and then the articulation seem to last shorter than the elucidation and the... Transcension for whatever the reason.
So why don't you tell us what exactly the science behind this DNA activation method is, how it works, and you're more than welcome, like I said, to turn this into a sales pitch if you want to see if you could increase your customer input. So you've got to tell us how this works.
Brendan: All right. Thanks, mate. Well, basically, these are the four core activations of the Regenetics Method, and it's a timeline. Everyone starts at potentiation and it's a 27-month minimum timeline, so it's very, very spread out. The reason for that is because it's a Kundalini activation system, it's a DNA activation system. There's a lot going on here at once.
And it appears to have come through in this sort of fragmented four stages because, as you know from the literature, a lot of people have very, I wouldn't say a lot, but certainly there are people out there who have had quite intense or disturbing, disruptive, even horrifying Kundalini awakening experiences. And this system, what it does is it's systematic, it's methodical and it's very gentle compared to an uncontrolled Kundalini activation.
So that's why it's broken up into four stages, starts with potentiation, five months later, what happens here is, I want to mention this. What's actually happening according to the model here is there's this defect, there's energetic defect around the sacral area, the sacral chakra. And it is something that a lot of people have identified in their own work independently.
I've had a Reiki practitioner come up to me after I spoke at the Nexus conference last year and she said, you know what, every single person I treat has this problem in that sacral area. And that was just another bit of confirmation for me. We've got Eileen McKusick, who was in Vermont, I'm not sure where she's based now, but she works with sound, she uses tuning forks as well, and she's found the same thing. Everyone she works on has this energetic defect in the sacral, sort of lower abdominal area.
Sol and his partner found it by doing kinesiological testing on many, many people, and they identified it. What happened was they figured, as they were working with this system, that through about five months after doing the potentiation, the first activation, that defect is corrected, and it's apparently corrected by a second vortex, which is above the, we have the crown chakra, then we have this sort of eighth chakra above us, floating above our heads, and above that, according to their kinesiological testing, they found there's another vortex that is not meant to be there, and it's connected to that second sacral area. What happens is it takes about five months, apparently, to descend and actually fuse with and merge with the sacral chakra, which has that defect going on.
That defect has been talked about through the literature. I think Blavatsky and a number of other people have acknowledged that there's something quite wrong there. I would call that the pain body. That's where most of us have it. I would say this is a humanity-wide problem, until we actually figure out that it's there and we correct it somehow. But a standard Reiki session or whatever you're working with basically will not do that. You need something that actually is designed to target it. For some reason, this system seems to be that solution.
So when you heal the pain body, you're healing that sense of disconnection from source, disconnection from each other, from nature, from the planet. What you've then done is you're allowing your bioenergy, your kundalini and what have you, that charge reservoir at the base of the spine, to send that energy up through into the rest of your bio system. Your other chakra centres, your brain, will then get that feel that they were supposed to be getting all along. So it is fundamentally shifting people up and out of that disempowered sort of victim consciousness, that pain body existence, and moving them into being able to embody their human potential, the divine blueprint, if you like.
I see a lot of that happen within that first sort of five months or so. Some people have very mind-blowing experiences in the session itself. I had one person say this has just completely changed my life and what have you.
That session is a holistic thing. People look at the information page and they say, okay, so potentiation is kind of key to the physical and etheric level. Then you have articulation, which is key to the sort of mental body. Elucidation is keyed more to the emotional body. Finally, transcendent is keyed more to the causal body. But every individual activation is actually acting on the entire system. It's not a reductionist phenomenon. That's something that I need to remind people. You can't target one little thing. You're actually influencing your entire state of being every time you do one of these activations. It's just that it might resonate a little bit more with one particular sort of aspect of your being than the others.
So that's it. It plays out very gradually over a 27-month timeline and it's divided into, you'll notice that 2 and 7 is 9, it's actually divided into 3 lots of 9-month periods essentially.
The funny thing about that is a lot of people find that their level of synchronicity in their life just explodes and it increases. For me, it increased every step of the way as I went through these activations. The level of synchronicity just became so absurdly intense that it's just normal now. We're talking industrial scale kind of synchronicities and whatnot. But it aligns you more and more with your, if you like, your divine plan or your dharma. It lets you manifest that and act on it quite organically and naturally.
So we've got this problem now in society where everything's really hard and we're always battling. We're always struggling to survive and struggling to pay the bills and struggling for this and that. And I find that doing this work, everything just seems to get easier. It's like you're no longer swimming against the current. Now you're swimming with it. Now you're in a canoe just chilling, lying back and soaking up the sun kind of thing. It's a real paradigm shift for a lot of people to realise that life doesn't have to be a constant struggle.
It's not that everything gets easy. It just makes it less, it's like you're not swinging against the tide so much. So things start to fall into place. Your authenticity starts to emerge. Your life around you starts to align with your inner core self, your core values and beliefs and so on. And when that happens, the things you want to do in the world, the things you want to contribute to the world start to manifest. It starts to just get easier to do that, to make those contributions.
[49:06] DNA Supplements Versus Activation
Andrew: Thank you, thank you. And in regards to people who want to perhaps activate their DNA by taking some sort of a supplement rather than meditation, there are some things on the market. Well, one would think. DNA Force is one thing, although it's not really, it doesn't say on the bottle, your DNA. It's more for improving mitochondrial health. And over the course of time, the little things at the end of our chromosomes seem to decay or wear off, and this is supposed to help keep that from happening.
However, one would think that taking a DNA Force supplement that's supposed to improve your mitochondrial DNA is definitely going to improve your overall DNA abilities and may even activate the codons that are not active. Now, is that right, or am I confusing two completely different areas of DNA science?
Brendan: Well, I wouldn't want to say anything categorical. I would be reluctant or sceptical of the more esoteric sort of functions that that kind of supplement might or might not provide.
Interestingly, I think with some people they'll find that an organic sort of DNA activation system using sound like we do is going to correct certain things, without making medical claims, because you can't do this and everyone's actually too unique to actually make predictions as to what will happen in their physiology. But I would look at something in a bottle as designed to do one thing or one or two things. And if it does enhance your mitochondrial function, then great. But also by the same token, maybe you need something a little bit more holistic. A DNA supplement is not a kundalini activation.
Andrew: That's a worthy distinction to note.
Brendan: So it's definitely something that's completely separate. It may still be useful, but I wouldn't compare the two different approaches at all, personally.
[51:19] Psychedelics and Other Realities
Andrew: One, all right, and since you're very big on the nature of reality, the reality that we're observing and all that, switching from DNA, I'd like to try to make sense of some psychedelic aspects of reality. People often will say psychedelics are beneficial. One of the reasons they try to criminalise the use of them is because they don't want us using them, because they can temporarily take us to higher states of consciousness and allow us to enter different realities.
I'm sometimes thinking, could they potentially, when you're high on something, be it ayahuasca or LSD or anything, is it actually, could you go as far as saying it's taking you into some other reality? Because some people have noticed that certain substances have certain strange things happen when you specifically use that substance.
One example, DXM, the drug that you find, the disassociative drug you find in cough medicine. I've heard of people say that when they are high on that stuff, something happens in, whenever they're high on cough medicine, that is so out of the ordinary, and they're like, okay, well, this happened somehow because I was high on cough medicine.
One example a guy gave was he was at some relative's house that was out in the middle of nowhere in some desert rural area, like five miles away from a main road. He was taking cough medicine while he was at that place. And then out of nowhere, this random guy comes to the little house that's in the middle of nowhere asking for directions. And you're thinking, okay, where did this guy come from? He would have had to walk five miles from the main road just to come here and ask for directions. And yet he just shows up. And I'm thinking, okay, this would not have happened had I not been high on cough medicine.
So this makes you wonder. Why is it that people that are high on cough medicine seem to experience very abnormal things that you wouldn't find if you're not high on that? And can you also explain similar strange experiences that would happen with other types of drugs? And if so, what kind of experiences would those be? And what kind of drugs would you have to take to have those experiences?
Brendan: You know what? I did not know that people were getting high on cough medicine and having these weird experiences. That's quite interesting to me. I personally have focused relatively little on the sort of drug angle of things. I know that a lot of interesting research has been done on DMT and LSD.
And that story that you just mentioned about the little guy showing up asking for directions, that reminds me of a lot of UFO contact experiences, which are equally bizarre. There's that really famous case where a UFO landed in a guy's backyard and the occupant of the UFO offered the guy a plate of pancakes. And that was it. And then they left. Really bizarre stuff.
You do have to wonder, I mean, these drugs, I think, personally are probably, if I had to bet, I would say that what they're doing 90% of the time, maybe more, is plugging people into the contents of the collective human unconscious again, the imagination of the collective mind, which is a very strange beast indeed. It's got its own agenda, it's got its own intelligence, it's got the entire history of human thought and belief programmed in there, waiting with this tremendous accumulated psychic power behind it, through the eons of human existence. It's just got such enormous force behind it.
It can generate these experiences that, A, are very strange and bizarre in these apparent alternate worlds, parallel universes or whatever. But it can also generate three-dimensional phenomena as well, which is quite amazing, but makes perfect sense if you look at the research that's been done into what human minds can do to alter reality. It makes sense that this being that is the collective unconscious would have accumulated a tremendous amount of psychic power, which it can then use to manipulate us at the conscious level. So there's this two-way street where we pump information into it and it feeds back these storylines and narratives and weird experiences to us.
So I'm thinking a lot of these cough medicines, DMT. Rick Strassman had a lot of people who had really weird alien experiences with reptilians or lizard-like things, praying mantis kind of beings, and stuff that just didn't make a lot of sense, very idiosyncratic sorts of experiences with parallels to shamanic experiences of bodily deconstruction and that sort of being killed and rising again kind of motif that's in shamanism, that transformational motif.
And so there's all this different stuff, and that's why it's so useful to take a sort of multidisciplinary approach to things and look at, okay, what's happening here? Oh, that's weird, because that's happening over here with these guys on the cough medicine, but hang on, shamans have been doing this, and then hang on, we've got UFO contactees doing this, and what's going on here? It starts to look almost like a conspiracy by the collective unconscious to kind of entertain itself at our expense and feed us these really weird, even amusing situations where a guy gets off a UFO and serves you a plate of pancakes. I mean, that doesn't make any sense. But it's a great pattern disruptor to get you thinking outside the box. That's one thing I'm confident of.
[57:09] Sun Gazing and Collective Consciousness
Andrew: And since you mentioned collective consciousness, I need to get your take on a little something that, well, there's always going to be debate on this issue about whether sun gazing is safe. Okay, and how that ties into the collective consciousness. Now, why did I bring this up? Well, I need to get into a little bit of a backstory here to help make everyone make sense of this, and also to help make sense of how collective consciousness works or doesn't work.
I am an active sun gazer. A lot of people are. But for me, it's been a bit of a hassle, because my mother is an ophthalmologist. And obviously sungazing and ophthalmology don't mix. My mother had given me all kinds of grief about this. And I could do nothing but tell her to shut up, mom. You are really annoying and get in your face. I didn't like talking to my mother like that, but it seemed like the only possible way for me to do this.
For a little while she was losing weight, losing sleep, losing touch with reality and suffering because of my lifestyle choices. Eventually I did a lot of healings and all to try to get her better, heal her and all that. Well, I'm digressing. The point is, she did force me to get my eyes checked and there appears to be a little bit of damage in my eye.
However, I am asserting it's not really from the sun gazing. Now, before you say I'm crazy for saying that, here's the deal. Andrew Bartzis, my favourite source of info by far, Akashic Records Reader, I remember him saying in a video webinar he did a few years ago, he said during the summer solstice, try to get out in nature and get some sun gazing in.
He said literally you look at the sun, the control system tells you that you will go blind, but in reality the electromagnetic energy from the sun will bypass the physical and go straight to your brain and neutralise everything in your body that's out of balance for the better. And the person who was interviewing Andrew for the webinar said, okay, so is there a set time when you sun gaze?
And I was expecting Bartzis to say only sun gaze during the first hour of sunrise or the last hour of sunset because that's when the UV index is at zero and that's where it's safe to do. But he didn't say that. He said sun gazing begins whenever you get up. For the early birds that can begin at sunrise, for the night owls who sleep in, it could begin at two in the afternoon. So I'm thinking, okay, now I can gaze at the sun any time.
Well, I did start to gaze at the sun other than sunrise and sunset. Then that was when my mother really, really started freaking out and forced me to get my eyes checked. Even though I haven't lost my vision, there seems to be a little bit of damage in my eye. This is what you'd expect to see from someone who stares in the sun.
And anybody who's seen that documentary on the documentary channel called Eat the Sun, a couple of things in that documentary. One, HRM is caught eating, but that's not really significant. The significant thing is there was one of HRM's followers. He was sun gazing and he found damage in his eye, and people would see this and think, okay, if these people are having damage, like me and this guy in the documentary, what was Andrew Bartzis talking about when he said sun gazing is perfectly safe because it'll bypass the physical?
Well, you know what I'm thinking? I'm thinking that the collective consciousness of the vast number of people on planet Earth who have been brainwashed and suckered into believing that looking at the sun is harmful will cause a collective consciousness placebo effect, which means that certain people like me who are surrounded by people like my mother and all the people in her business who believe that looking at the sun is harmful, those beliefs could potentially cause damage to people who sun gaze.
And if you think that sounds utterly ridiculous, at a recent conference that I was at, this woman talked about how when she had very young children, she would worry every time winter comes around, my kids are going to get the flu. What can I do to prevent it? What can I possibly do to prevent them from getting the flu? And they would always get the flu. But then one winter, she stopped worrying about that. And decided, okay, maybe if I stop worrying about it, will they not get the flu? And then they didn't get the flu anymore.
And she realised her negative beliefs was causing a placebo effect of sorts to cause that to manifest into the reality of her kids getting the flu. And when I told my mother that, I think the reason my eyes are damaged is because you've been stressing out about me so much that it's caused a placebo effect of damage on my eyes, she was like, wow, how can you blame me for something like that?
Well, maybe I'm not so crazy after all, because the power of collective consciousness, for the reasons I've explained, may cause a placebo effect to, among other things, cause damage to sun gazers eyes, even though sun gazing is not supposed to be harmful. So am I right? Am I wrong? What do you have to say about all this?
[1:02:04] The Collective Unconscious and Fear of the Sun
Brendan: That's a great story. I sympathise with your point of view, actually. I think that there's a lot of power in the collective unconscious hypothesis because we know, especially when you're connected to someone genetically, you've got that morphic resonance between you and your mother. So whatever she's pumping into the field, the vacuum, the ether, whatever you want to call it, whatever she's pumping in there, that information you are going to be unconsciously picking up on and possibly allowing into your reality field, which will then reprogram your reality field.
So how often do you see your parents stressing out about something like, don't hurt yourself, don't do this, you'll hurt yourself. And then what happens? You do exactly what they said. You hurt yourself exactly how they said you would. And you're thinking, God, if you'd just not been there, I would have been fine. And they're programming our realities. And quite possibly, you might be right. Your mum may have unconsciously, through her fear, that emotional intensity, programmed that into you.
Now, I'm not blaming her. I'm not saying that's definitely what happened. But I do actually like the sun gazing concept. There's a lot of science coming out now that says there's over 1500 different frequencies that the human body utilises from the sun and it's healthy. We need that warm sort of golden light. We need that for our eyes, to actually nourish our eyes and the rest of our physiology, obviously.
And we sit around all day staring at these blue computer screens. We have these horrendous lights in our ceilings that are halogens, not quite as bad as the other one, but the other one that's really white, which is just horrible. And we're not designed for it. We're not adapted to it. We're adapted to the sun's light. And there's a huge fear-mongering campaign around it.
And I don't think that it's really a conspiracy because most of the people who are in positions of influence and authority are themselves completely incompetent and ignorant. And they're not in a position to really consciously manipulate us. So they're afraid. Most of the time, these people are neurotic and afraid and really poorly informed. And then they use the media or what have you to broadcast all that crap out into the world.
And yeah, there could definitely be a collective unconscious process that actually is saying, no, you know what, we believe that you're going to damage your retina. So here it is, here's some retinal damage for looking at the sun when really the sun is actually helping. But we've got this unconscious undercurrent of a program that's running in the background of our collective psyche.
And I was going to say something in addition to that that's very relevant and now I'm having a mental blank because I've sidetracked myself. So the collective unconscious hypothesis is really interesting.
So yeah, in The Grand Illusion, Chapter 13, I mentioned that there is this placebo effect. It's actually developed now to the point where in experiments, they can label a bottle, for example, as a placebo and it will contain a placebo, but it will still produce a sort of medical, real measurable effect. And no one understands why this is happening or what's going on. It's this bizarre sort of evolution of the placebo effect. So now it's really weird because now you don't even need to believe and you can still get the effect. It's quite a strange thing. So I think that something's shifted in the collective mind again and now we're running this different story.
[1:05:40] Sun Gazing, HRM and Pranic Energy
Brendan: So hopefully we can overcome the fear, the irrational fear around the sun gazing, because I do talk about HRM Manek in the book. He was scientifically studied as well. And one of the scientists who studied him put forward the hypothesis that he, because he had quite an enlarged pineal gland as well. Excuse me. And it was quite well developed. And the scientist was putting forward the idea that, yes, he is feeding on an energy that is something that we are not able to measure or detect. But he's harnessing it by sun gazing. All these different frequencies are coming into his body. It's nourishing his cells, nourishing his pineal gland, his eyes. The guy didn't have any damage in his eyes.
He was actually fasting and not eating for extended periods of time and his only source of nourishment, as far as he was concerned, and the scientists as well, was the sun. So if you're thinking that the sun is going to kill you, well, if you're not eating anything, it may be the only thing keeping you alive.
And so I get a bit into him in the book and this idea of these frequencies that we can't perceive, that maybe if you have that clairvoyant faculty, you can see it. For example, Barbara Brennan, she talks about these sort of pranic energies being harnessed from the sun and coming in directly into the forehead, into the third eye. We're bypassing the eyes and the standard physiology. So there's the detectable electromagnetic frequency that the scientists are telling us is increasingly important for our health and well-being. And there's also the esoteric aspect of these frequencies we can't see or touch or detect, but some people appear to be able to do so, like Barbara Brennan. They're pouring in from the sun and they're nourishing us on levels we can't perceive.
So yeah, definitely I'm not afraid of sun gazing. I've done a bit myself. I'm too lazy to do it regularly, to be honest. I like the afternoon sun. I rarely see the morning sun because I'm not a huge morning person. But I like that time of day where it's dusk and you can stand there and just soak it up without that intensity behind it. People can build up a certain tolerance through regular practice. I personally haven't done that, but I've done some gazing in the afternoon and I'm a fan personally. I think there's some science behind it and I do get a bit into that in the book actually.
Andrew: Thank you, thank you. I think it's done me pretty well too.
[1:08:13] Fractals and the Mandelbrot Set
Andrew: But switching gears, moving on to some other things about the nature of reality. I heard you mention fractals earlier, and when you think of fractals you think of the Mandelbrot set. Now, one thing about the Mandelbrot set that I think is highly significant, for all intents and purposes, it proves that God, the creator, source, whatever you want to call it, is Infinite Consciousness.
The Mandelbrot set, coupled with the double-slit experiment that's done in Vienna, Austria at the early 20th century, those two things which show that reality can be affected by observing or measuring it, and the nature of reality is a fractal. That is, every small part of the fractal is a smaller representation of the greater whole. It shows that what we call God, source, creator, whatever religious or spiritual name you want to give it, is infinite consciousness, is the infinite awareness of being aware.
But one thing about, another thing about the Mandelbrot set, it would seem to suggest that everything you do in reality affects everything else. Does moving my hand back and forth affect the winds on the planet Neptune? Some would say, well, no, of course not, because it's too far away to do anything. Well, those that follow the Mandelbrot set would say, well, actually it does, but it affects the winds on Neptune in such a small, infinitesimally small way that you would not be able to detect it for all intents and purposes.
But the fact that the Mandelbrot set, no matter how deep into that Mandelbrot set you go, you change one little part of that set, just a fraction of it, the whole entire rest of thing changes at such a small level that it can't be decoded. And it's not crazy when you realise that numbers go into infinity. How many places are there after a decimal point? An infinite number, the number pi, perfect example, infinite decimal points. You can't measure the length of a coastline because for every concise measurement that you get, there will always be more and more and more points after the decimal point to try to get the precise measurement.
So the point I'm trying to make here is, how do you determine what your spot on the Mandelbrot set is? I've heard some people say you can't, someone like David Icke, the powers that be are really afraid of him. They wouldn't dare murder him because if they murder him, it would cause a huge disturbance in the Mandelbrot set that everything that he stood for would cause a revolution to happen at a much greater rate now that he's dead than it would if he were still alive. Which would ruin the powers that be his agenda because they caused massive karma for themselves by killing him. So consequently David Icke would have a much larger, you would think, Mandelbrot set representation within the greater Mandelbrot set.
Now is all everything I'm trying to say making sense to you? And are there any other things besides the Mandelbrot set that I haven't pointed out here that you being a researcher could help enlighten us about?
Brendan: I think that was, you've done a hell of a job there, mate. I think that, yeah, that's the fractals, that's key. You mentioned the double slit experiment, that's key. Connecting the dots between those and holograms, that's essential. And if you connect in the five, golden ratio, 1.618, that's absolutely essential, because when you do those, when you do fractals, holograms and fire together, and also the sacred geometry sort of stuff, you have irrefutable proof that there is a so-called quote-unquote God, if you like, a field of intelligence, primal consciousness that underlies the fabric of reality.
And I like the idea about, the David Icke sort of fractal thing, that everyone is absolutely in the fractal, everyone is influencing the fractal.
Some of us influence it more than others, and that's something one of my friends in the UK, who contacted me a couple of years back, has helped me grasp even better, what I'm doing personally in this sort of evolving fractal of humanity.
And he's helped me understand that we know from the science in the alternative realms that people are unconsciously and consciously able to influence matter, to influence other minds, the collective mind. We had the Global Consciousness Project measuring the effects of Diana's death and 9-11, all this kind of stuff. The emotional outpouring in the collective human unconscious, as registered by the random number generators, which stopped randomly generating their behaviour. It became non-random as a result of that informational kind of unity or coherence in the collective mind.
So I've definitely gone off track from your original query. But Phi, the golden ratio, to come back to the fractal thing, that's what defines fractality, I think. And again, Dan Winter is the man on this. He's shown that the 1.618, that ratio is what allows information to be infinitely nested within itself, to keep building information into information into information. So we see these awesome patterns and designs like the flower of life, this kind of stuff. And that's because of the ability of fire to actually create that infinite nesting.
[1:13:46] Holograms and the Gradual Shift of Consciousness
Brendan: But the important thing to remember, I think, as well, is that as you hone in on a fractal, the connection to the hologram is that the whole is contained in every part. That's the key to a hologram. You have a holographic plate, you smash it into fragments, and every fragment will still contain a picture of the whole image, just at slightly lower resolution.
And in a fractal, as you zoom in, you'll find that each individual part is contained within the whole, and that pattern keeps repeating on every sort of scale. Every time you zoom in, that same pattern will show up, except it won't be identical, it will be very similar. So that's actually quite reassuring to me, that we have a fractal consciousness as individuals, we're plugged into the fractal collective consciousness. And we are on this fallen planet called Earth right now that's going through this tremendous sort of transitional time. The reason for that is because consciousness is fractal and inner fractal, it's not identical at every level, it gradually shifts. That's the key. The key is that it gradually does change.
For the fatalists or the pessimists who think that we're only ever going to get more of the same and more of the same and more of the same, I don't think they've been paying attention to the fractals and the holograms enough, because if you understand what a fractal is doing, it's shifting very gradually. It's like a theme that gradually evolves. In a musical score, you'll have themes that emerge and then they shift a little bit, but the underlying emphasis is still there. What we're doing now with this human evolution is we're going into another sort of scale of the fractal, where it's really started to shift now away from the dominant pattern that we've been adhering to for so many centuries. We can see this manifesting around us with stuff like Patent Disruptors, Patent Disruptors like Donald Trump, coming in and doing some pretty sort of eye-opening stuff and creating policies that really are going to be a pain in the ass for, say, pharmaceutical companies and this kind of thing.
So we're in this fractal evolution as human beings with consciousness, and the only reason that we have a fractal consciousness is because of the underlying dynamics of the infinite field of consciousness, which creates reality through the dynamics of Phi and the Golden Ratio and that ability to implode information and infinitely nest information inside information, inside information, and just keep scaling it back.
[1:16:33] Cliff High and the Flickering Universe
Andrew: Thank you. And I mentioned a thing about David Icke fearing the powers that be. The source I got for that was Cliff High, the web bot guy. And Cliff High, he also has talked about the universe fluttering, flickering in and out of existence 22 trillion times a second or something like that. Every second he says the universe goes in and out of existence 22 trillion times. And that means that there's another 22 trillion times where the universe is not existing. So you got a total grand total of 44 trillion. Universe is on, universe is off, universe is on, universe is off.
And he did explain in one of his Web Bot things way back in the day, several years, maybe five years ago or something, how exactly he got that number, something to do with some about measuring something in an atom, but I don't remember what. But I'm bringing this to your attention to ask you, does this make sense that the universe that we're in would flick in and out of existence 22 trillion times a second? And do you have any theories as to how he got that number?
Brendan: I don't have a clue how he got that number. The idea of the flickering on and off is something that's been around for quite a while. The guy Bentov, who wrote Stalking the Wild Pendulum, he was talking about that as well, this on-off, on-off, on-off thing. I wouldn't have a clue how your friend, what was his name again?
So we met... Have I lost you, Andrew?
Andrew: Oh, no, I'm back. I was on mute. I lost you for a second. Skype gremlins are screwing around with you because I couldn't hear you for a little while. So, but anyway, yeah, Cliff, hi. Is the name of the guy who said that. He's the guy behind the web bot. He recently revealed his face to the world. I don't remember how long ago he did that, but I just found out last month what he actually looks like. He has his own YouTube channel. But anyway, I'm digressing. The point is, he did calculations that he claims to show that the universe, like a movie clip, goes from slide to slide. There's 22 trillion slides of the universal movie and another 22 million when they're off.
Brendan: So you have no idea how he got that.
Andrew: No, I don't.
Brendan: And I'd be fascinated to learn how he did get those numbers, because I think there is something about that concept that resonates. I think there's probably validity to that. I really, I may have even mentioned it in the book, I can't remember to be quite frank. I have not returned to the material in the book for a while, because I've been so busy running Global Freedom Movement. We're developing this online university as well, which is just going to be an absolute full-time job for the next couple of years probably. So I'm hoping to find some time to get back to this material. I'd love to get into the flickering on and off thing again, come back to it and maybe work it into book two, which is even now largely written already, but I'm going to need to find some time to finish editing it and adding the last touches of material.
[1:20:03] Building the Online University
Brendan: This year for us is going to be absolutely insane, building this truth-aversity, as we're calling it. So I don't know if you know about that, but we've got a crowdfunding campaign going at the moment at truth-aversity.com. And so we're really looking for support for people who want to see a sort of a place where we can learn in a systematic sort of way without the interference, without the trolls, without the censorship, without the garbage and the confusion. There's so much sort of confusion and so many rabbit holes on the internet. That's kind of the main project that's got my attention at the moment.
And yeah, I think you probably even know more than I do about the flickering phenomenon, to be honest. I'd love to know more about it.
[1:20:59] Precession of the Equinoxes and the Galactic Centre
Andrew: And I lost you again.
Brendan: No, I'm there. I somehow put myself on mute. My bad.
Andrew: Okay. But anyhow, I was saying that another thing that involves measurements where you figure something out from the measuring something at the subatomic level involves something John Major Jenkins did. John Major Jenkins in his book, Maya Cosmogenesis 2012, which he wrote in 1998. I never read that book. I did read the 2012 story, which he wrote in 2009, but not Maya Cosmogenesis 2012.
And in that book, he did explain that it's not an accident that the procession of the equinoxes of the Earth, which ranges from 25,000 something years to 26,000 years in that span, is identical or just about identical to the distance in light years that the Earth is from the center of the galaxy, 26,000 light years. And he explained in his book, that's not an accident. And he did explain how he got it. And it has something to do with the procession of a proton relative to the proton's location from something else. I tried to research this on the internet, but I couldn't really find anything except for some things I mentioned in passing.
So it seems like John Major Jenkins' only book, the book My Cosmogenesis 2012, is the only place where this synchronicity of distance from the center of the galaxy relative to precession of the equinox time period is the same is where it's explained, and it seems kind of strange because it seems like such a significant thing. You think more people want to know the answer to that, but for some reason it doesn't come up in conversation even though it's so in-your-face obvious and obviously significant. So could you perhaps offer a theory as to why the numbers are the same in that regard?
Brendan: Well, I could refer to vague general principles like the fact that we've got this electric universe theory which is starting to really catch on at the moment. The basic principle there is, it's a plasma universe. Plasma is 99 point whatever percent of our physical universe. And the rule with plasma is that it's the same rules, the same dynamics are playing out on every scale of existence. So plasma, the rules are scalable. It just goes, let me just, let me rewind there.
So because of the scaling effect, I would think that that connection that Jenkins is talking about, that's kind of the underlying basis of it. In galaxies out there in the cosmos, we see things that are quite strange that mirror our human DNA molecule, like we've got that spiral phenomenon, I don't remember the astronomical name they gave it now, but it's quite well known, that double helix out in space, which looks exactly like a double helix in our cells, and the proton connection to the centre of the galaxy. This is all what happens in a system, an informational system that is ruled by and governed by fire, that implosive principle where information is nested into itself infinitely and it's scalable. In the plasma universe, in the electric universe, you get that same rules emerging or dictating physical dynamics at every scale of existence. So I think the answer is to what Jenkins, the explanation for Jenkins' observation lies probably in those disciplines, those theories there.
[1:24:38] How Many Dimensions?
Andrew: Thank you. And getting back to the whole dimension density thing. In regards to giving, regardless of whatever term you use, a specific number, interested to know if maybe you might have touched on this. It's interesting how when you talk about the number of dimensions or densities that there are, the numbers vary, but there seem to be two camps that are pretty prominent, the 12-dimensional camp and the 22-dimensional camp.
George Kavassilas is a 12-dimensional guy, and in my private session with him, I brought up the whole 22-dimensional theory, and I asked him, is there anything in your 12-dimensional construct that you see that you might interpret as explaining why some people would see a 22 dimension or construct? And he said, yes, there is one layer that I see as one, but I could imagine how someone might see that as 10 layers in one. This was a while ago when he talked about that. But since I brought this up, do you by any chance know what he's talking about?
Brendan: I don't know what George is talking about. And I was going to say something there and now I've gotten Star Trek dimensions. Oh, look, that was it. The number 22, I take all of this sort of dimensional stuff with a large grain of salt. And I'm very aware that there are a lot of different numbers being floated out there. Everyone's got their own opinion on the dimensions. But correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't the number 22 the original number of tarot cards?
Maybe. It may have been. I believe I had a friend who pointed that out to me a while back as being the possible reason why we're tuning into this idea of 22 dimensions.
Because what happens in the collective unconscious is it takes these numbers and these ideas and archetypes and it recycles them. It uses them, it repurposes them and puts them back out there and into the human mind again in a different form. What it really is good at doing is taking those themes and symbols and archetypes and building a slightly new, but not radically different, kind of religion around them.
And so you've got to look at the historical aspects and the psychological aspects of humanity and say, well, where might that number actually emanate from? Because people are going into these altered states, having these astral observations and what have you, and they're touching the collective mind again. What happens is there's a tendency for these observations to be taken at face value instead of interpreted on a more subtle level. And so that's not intended to be disparaging or as a put down at all.
But that's one of the things that I'm wary of, when we see number 12. 12 is something that shows up everywhere. Jesus, the Son of God, had 12 disciples. 12 is hugely embedded in the collective unconscious. We've got 12, the Zodiac, the constellations, all this stuff. It just keeps showing up and showing up and showing up. And you've got to go back and go, well, what has this meant to us symbolically through history, through the evolution of humanity? What have those numbers actually meant and where have they been used before? And could they be being resurrected or repurposed to create another storyline now, another narrative that we can be drawn into and mesmerized by? Maybe that's what's happening.
So I don't worry too much about how many. I don't think it's a practical piece of information. It's not something that's going to change how I dress today or what I have to do. I'm still going to need to do X, Y, Z. It doesn't really matter whether I'm doing that in 12 dimensions or 22.
I think the 12 is something that makes sense on a primal level because it's so programmed into us on a deep cellular DNA genetic level that we can just settle on it with comfort because we've been there for so long with the number 12. It's just comfortable for us. But it doesn't matter how many dimensions there are. I think the answer is infinity. And that's because every level is infinite and every level contains an infinite number of levels within it. So trying to count them ultimately is a fairly futile endeavour.
[1:29:32] Flat Earth and Santos Bonacci
Andrew: Thank you. And now I want to talk about something that a lot of people are sick and tired of hearing about, but whenever I talk about it on my show, it's only to help make sense of why the whole thing, the arguments for it exist. And that is the whole flat earth theory thing.
Interesting thing about this. I interviewed Alex Ansari and he said a few times on his show, people are bombarding me with this flat earth stuff. I don't want to hear about it. Could you please shut up about it? And then a week later, I was scheduled to interview Santos Bonacci and it was only two days before then that I found out from looking at his Facebook timeline that he was in the flat earth camp.
So I had to cram like a college student cramming for an exam. I had to cram the flat earth thing studying what Sanders' presentations on that because I knew I was going to have to debate him. And I did debate him on the subject of my show and my listeners weren't too impressed with what he had to say.
And what really pissed me off, I must say, I told him that he's more than welcome to upload my show with me interviewing him to his channel, even though I'd upload it to mine. And he did. But then a couple of days after he did, I looked back at the, I didn't know that thing on his channel to see just how many more views he would have than me, because I was sure he would get more views than me, but I noticed he watered down the show. He chopped off everything in the show except for the Flat Earth stuff, and he changed the title to Flat Earth to Beta on Nature of Reality Radio, and I'm thinking, oh, give me a break. There were so many other things in that interview that we talked about besides Flat Earth that people could have found useful, and he had to get rid of all that just because he was obsessed about this flat earth thing.
And that just goes to show you that people who obsess about this flat earth thing do seem to lose touch with reality to the point where they will literally use heavy peer pressure and say things like, believe in flat earth or I'm not your friend anymore. And as a matter of fact, Santos did say that. He posted that publicly on his Facebook timeline, so there's nothing wrong with me saying it publicly on my show. It just goes to show you that people believe in it kind of lose or are going really crazy in regards to being belligerent and selfish and all.
[1:31:26] Why Flat Earth Evidence Seems Convincing
Andrew: The problem is a lot of people that do believe in flat earth, they seem to have what appears to be a lot of empirical evidence to back up what they're saying. Just like how 9-11 truthers can use laws of physics and such to show that the story of 9-11 is a fraud. People that believe in flat earth can use what appears to be empirical evidence that shows that flat earth is real. So how could they be wrong but their evidence appears right?
Well, the short answer, and this is George Kavassilas who tried to explain this when he tried to make sense of this, he said that the flat earth makes two-dimensional sense of something that is really a third-dimensional construct. And that enables the evidence to appear that it's genuine because you're just moving down a dimension, so the measurements will appear genuine, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're right.
You're just not Ben Dodgen accommodation Assim looking high enough, your consciousness hasn't been expanded enough to realise that the three-dimensional measurements that are also correct do also show that it's right. And just because the two-dimensional look is right doesn't mean it tells the whole story. That's it in a nutshell.
But are there any other explanations you can think of to explain how it is that the flat-earth people seem to have evidence to prove their point, but yet the earth is not flat, even though the evidence that they have shows it?
[1:32:46] The Collective Unconscious and Flat Earth
Brendan: Well, the first thing I would say is that to play that game, it's all about cherry-picking and being selective with your evidence and ignoring or simply remaining unaware of what does not support that case.
But I actually put this question to my friend Nick in the UK, who's author of It, Blue Angel Night, which is a book that really gets into this idea of how the collective human unconscious manipulates us, us human beings, even though it is us, it's the mirror image of us, but it's still very manipulative. It wants to control us. And I asked him, what do you think is the deal with this flat earth renaissance?
And his reply, I think, was the most interesting take on the subject that I've seen so far because he said basically what's happening is the collective human unconscious, which is essentially like a young child, like it's barely a toddler, right? Emotionally and intellectually it's basically a toddler. It's taking this idea again and it's re-examining it, just like one last re-examination of this idea just to see if it's missed something. Try and understand it better, try and see is it valid, is it real, what's going on here?
And it's in the process, it's polarising a whole bunch of people, a subset of the community, into believing ardently in a religious fashion, with religious fervour, that the earth is actually flat. And it's just that phenomenon of the collective unconscious going and revisiting something. And there's this enormous psychic power behind it that in the process the minds, the psyches that are vulnerable to that kind of pressure will yield and become believers.
We see this all the time in all the different religious movements around us. The cult of normality has all sorts of absurd belief systems going on that are not supported by evidence, but the psychic power behind it is just too much for most people in many instances to resist and have their mind remain their own.
So we've got this phenomenon playing out and George is right about the two-dimensional thing. What is a sphere? If you push a sphere through a two-dimensional flatland, those people in flatland will experience it as a circle. It'll be a flat earth. So it's this evolutionary or devolutionary regressive tendency that we're revisiting this idea and people are becoming polarised by it.
[1:35:19] Evidence Flat Earthers Ignore
Brendan: And I think that it's instructive to look at the way that, say, Santos handled that and edited his video. I haven't seen it, but I'm sure I can imagine how it's been edited. And I have nothing against him, but he's one of those minds that has become completely and utterly polarised. And I never see these people acknowledge the things that are really, really highly inconvenient to that belief structure.
Like, for example, leaked NASA footage showing from near-Earth orbit, which shows the Earth in the background, clearly not a flat Earth, clearly roughly a spherical thing. UFOs flying around it and buzzing past and all this sort of stuff. Clearly, this is information they haven't seen or do not want to acknowledge.
And I saw an interesting comment in a recent version of Nexus magazine. Someone wrote in to Duncan and said, I've been involved in the nautical world and isn't it interesting how ships used to use spherical trigonometry to navigate. And the reason they had to use spherical trigonometry was because the Earth is basically spherical. So that navigational technique wouldn't work on a flat Earth. You wouldn't end up getting to your destination using flat trigonometry. So they were using spherical, and I've never seen anyone acknowledge this or explain why.
And so it's that thing that every religious movement, especially the modern ones, the old ones, they're all the same in the sense that they will not acknowledge information that does not support their presuppositions, the assumptions, their foundational. They do not want to know about it.
[1:37:00] Certainty, Uncertainty and Maturity
Brendan: What they want, and what really we all want, I think, is we love certainty. We want certainty and we love when we get the idea in our heads that we can believe in something with 100% certainty and impunity. We love that. But the reality is that reality is complicated. It's full of doubt. It's full of uncertainty. It's highly, highly complex, multi-layered, multi-perspectible. You can never harness reality from one vantage point. Essentially, to harness reality, which is infinite, you have to be able to see it from infinite perspectives, which can't be done.
So what I'm saying is these people should consider embracing uncertainty and be willing to feel that insecurity and that discomfort that comes with not knowing. And that's a sign of maturity. And we're not seeing a lot of that maturity from, I certainly haven't seen a lot of that maturity from the people, the adherence to the Flat Earth Movement.
[1:37:55] A Diversion From Practical Concerns
Brendan: I have nothing against individuals. I've been unfriended by people simply, because I haven't even touched that subject. I won't touch it on Facebook. I just don't want to get involved in the divisiveness of it and I see it as a waste of time. It's one of these rabbit holes that has a very hypnotic effect on people. It pulls them down into this subject where they will never solve the problem. They will always be searching for more, always be searching for more answers, trying to understand. They'll never get there. And meanwhile, the practical stuff that we have to deal with gets neglected.
Whether the earth is flat or whether it's spherical, you and I still are debt slaves. We are still under the thumb of the Federal Reserve System, the IMF, the World Bank. We've still got these crooks running the show. We are still debt slaves. We still have to eat shit and breathe and sleep. We still have all these other pragmatic concerns and things that need to be shifted and changed urgently. Dealt with urgently, and meanwhile we've got people getting their panties in the knot because someone doesn't believe that the earth's flat and it's just ridiculous.
We really just think these people really need to get a grip and grow up a bit because we have things that need to be dealt with now and when they're sort of done and dusted, or at least we're getting somewhere with it, then we can worry about whether we're eating, shitting, breathing and sleeping on a flat platform or around one sphere. I don't care, whatever, but we'll get there when it's really appropriate.
Right now, I really see it as a big diversion and it's not because it's a conspiracy or a psyop. It might be. I'm not saying it is or it isn't, but the fact is that people are just really good at getting subtract and creating these sort of weird religious movements and creating division when none needed to exist in the first place. So I just look at this absurd situation. I hope that we can really just move past it as quickly as possible and sort out these facts, when it's a little bit more appropriate to engage in these kind of protracted debates, but I think that the evidence is there that the earth is clearly not flat.
I've never seen a report from an occultist, someone who's gone out of body or had a near-death experience, who has come back and said, oh, by the way, the earth is flat. Not one of these people has ever said that. And there's all sorts of interesting sort of, it's sort of like those, they make their case, I think, a lot of the time by omission. It's what is not said, what has not been acknowledged that they rely on so much. So I have nothing personal against these people, but I view it as a waste of time.
Well, people are entitled to believe what they want to believe, but if you're going to believe something even though the evidence shows that what you believe is not true, well, if that's not stupidity, then I don't know what is.
[1:40:40] The Silver Legion's Higher Planes
Andrew: But moving on, time for one last subject. I guess we can go a little past eight if you need to finish a thought or something.
Since this show is about science and spirituality and trying to combine the two, I want to take a few minutes myself to explain the understanding of the higher planes of reality. I did a show once about this back in the day when I couldn't get a guest, and this is from the website SilverLegion.org, Silver Legion being a group of freedom fighters and such that come from higher dimensions and densities. Save people in this universe and others. And a woman named Tanath is the contactee liaison on Earth who works with the Silver Legion. She's the one responsible for the silverlegion.org website. There's a page here called the Higher Plains talking about what's above the physical Earth.
I'd like to take a few minutes to read this, and then in the last few minutes of the show, I'll give you a chance to critique what I have to say about this. I'll try to make this short, sweet, and quick.
But first, you've got the physical earth, and then above that, you have the quote-unquote first layer. The Ethereal Plane. This layer is the closest to the Earth. It is essentially a fluid shadow duplicate of the physical Earth. In it, you will see things similar to how they appear in the physical world, only they will be somewhat transparent and insubstantial.
The second layer above that is the Dreamlands. The dreamlands are where we all go when we sleep and dream. Everything is highly fluid and malleable. Things change from one instance to the next, often unpredictably and randomly.
Third layer above that is the astral planes, which is infinitely malleable, though here you will begin to encounter entities that have their own existence completely separate from any part of the physical realm. And unlike the Dreamlands, this level of planes can be dangerous to those who have not studied how to protect themselves.
Then above that, there's the barrier, which is between Astral and above. We do not know exactly who or what created it from our experience. Not everyone seems equally capable of crossing the barrier. It has been theorized that this is the line, quote unquote line, where 3D ends and 4D begins.
And then there's the fourth to sixth layers, also known as the Paths and Realms of Spirit. Beyond the barrier, you begin to enter the Paths and Realms. Paths are spaces that exist between realms, and realms are discrete areas that persist over time. Individuals who have attained a certain degree of mastery may be able to influence the Paths and Realms, and out in the Paths and Realms, you begin to discover entire worlds of existence that are not based in the physical and have never been.
And then it says the Silver Legion has a realm of its own, and beyond that is the Outlands. The passive realms are infinite enough that it would almost make one say what could possibly be on that. However, there are places that exist beyond the third layer of the realms. This is the area of the Outlands that lines between this universe and the next. And if you take a step too far, you might end up in a world you thought was fictional or in an area of place where nothing works as you'd expect it to.
Outlands are not easy for people to go to unless you come from there or are brought there by someone who lives there. The Silver Legion does not maintain a presence in the Outlands, though we do send talent scouts there.
Okay, so this is the Silver Legion's version of what reality kind of, sort of looks like. Do you have any comments?
[1:44:18] A Brief Audio Problem
Andrew: Brendan, I can't hear you.
Brendan: Oh, sorry, mate. You want me back?
Andrew: Now I can hear you.
Brendan: Yes.
Andrew: Okay. Any comments?
[1:44:28] Brendan's Response to the Silver Legion Model
Brendan: Okay. Yeah, look, you've given me the easy ones to finish off, obviously. It sounds quite similar to a lot of other descriptions that have been offered by occultists, esotericists, people who've had NDEs, contactees. There's a lot of themes running through these different people's models and versions of reality.
So personally, that's the first time I've heard of the Silver Legion, I think you said. And that's quite interesting. I'll have to have a look at their stuff in more detail and try to bring it back to the other material I've got. For example, the Ra material, which I'm sure you've read, talks about the densities and the different levels.
And it's just one of those things where no one knows anything for certain unless they go there themselves. And even if you go there yourself, you have to realise that every dimensional level above this one is abstract, but every dimensional level up from that one becomes increasingly more abstract and increasingly more abstract and so on and so forth.
So here we are, we're nested in the third dimension, we're nested inside all these infinities and every infinity gets more complicated and more abstract. How are we supposed to even try to begin harnessing this stuff and understanding it? It's a very daunting task when you really get a bit of a grasp on that concept of complexity and then abstractness.
Because when you're going into these realms, it's an altered state of consciousness that plugs you into the collective bubble and maybe also possibly beyond the collective bubble. But when I hear this stuff about Pathways and the Silver Legion and the Ra entities and their people, the beings from Orion, all this sort of stuff, I often think to myself, these are probably narratives in the collective human unconscious that are still evolving and we're still building energy into them and changing the story. And we're kind of mesmerizing ourselves with them.
I've only ever bypassed all those sort of intermediary levels, if you like, so to speak, to put it in a very sort of dodgy kind of way, because our language doesn't allow us to express this stuff very well. But I've bypassed all that sort of stuff in my experiences. I've gone to infinity. I've gone to the unity of consciousness that has nothing to do with human ideas or beliefs or dimensions, densities, aliens, demons, devils, any of that stuff.
So my experience with those other levels is it's not non-existent, but it's quite limited. In one meditation in particular, I saw some very interesting visions, visual effects. But beyond that, it's plugged me into infinity. So I've been able to feel galaxies and planets, the entire universe sort of flowing through me, which is, again, something you just can't even describe.
But the ideas that are being put forward by the Silver Legion entities, whatever, I think they're all worthy of consideration and we need to compare them, kind of treat it like comparative religion and compare them, find the commonalities, find what makes sense and try to develop a view that does.
[1:47:58] Holding Models Lightly
Brendan: It does seem to make sense, but remember that we're always dealing with something that is infinite and therefore kind of infinitely unknowable, and we just kind of have to be humbled in the face of that and treat all of our models with a bit of humility. We kind of need to not get too married to them, not too cathected to them and stand back and say, well, I've got to be open to evolving and developing this because someone says this, this is that, and then this guy says this.
I look at, for example, Barbara Brennan's got a very interesting kind of model that sounded, for some of what you were saying, quite similar to that description. And the higher dimensions, as I said, are increasingly difficult to come to grips with. So we can only interpret them in symbolic ways or through mythological avenues. So it's something to be aware of that we can't treat it too literally, I think is what I'm driving at here.
So we've got to keep our symbolical glasses, our mythological glasses on and try to gradually build a better picture of what might be out there, so to speak, remembering that it's all really internal, these internal planes of reality. It's like that kid who was quoted in Talbot's book who said that when he had a death experience and came back, he said, it was like walking into my mind.
And that's basically what we're doing with all this stuff, we're walking into the collective mind and sort of looking around going, oh, wow, this is amazing. Look at all this shiny stuff. Look at all this light. Look at all these amazing things I can manipulate and these beings I can visit. Oh, there's a unicorn. So there's everything, and everything that's ever been imagined and thought of and dreamt of is there waiting for us to tap into. We just have to be aware of what we're doing in the process, I think.
[1:49:45] Closing the Show
Andrew: Yes, being aware of what we do, very key. Consciousness is awareness of being aware. So that is, I guess, where we'll end this show now. Very, very fascinating show. I learned a few things myself. My view on things has certainly changed for the better, I'm sure.
I will make sure that I upload this, well, this video is, of course, going to be uploaded to YouTube anyway, because it's on the Capricorn Radio live stream, but I'll upload it to my own channel as well, and I'll make sure that I post it on social media, truth reforms and such, so people can become more aware of it.
Hopefully, in due time, you will see an increasing amount of people purchasing your books and also taking advantage of your DNA activation thing, and anybody who says you're just doing it for the money is obviously too closed-minded. They can't think of any other way or any other reason why you're doing what you're doing. I know you're doing it for the highest good and highest consciousness and love and awareness for humanity. No question about that. You sure showed that in this interview.
So it was a pleasure having you on. And I do wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors, Brendan Murphy. Take care now.
Brendan: Andrew, thanks so much, man. It's been great.
Andrew: Thank you.
Brendan: Happy Chinese New Year.
Andrew: Happy rest of 2017. Take care now.
Brendan: Later.