Here For The Truth
Truth Addict — Who We Are, Aliens, New Age, Medical Lies
Brendan's first appearance on Here For The Truth — a wide-ranging conversation covering the nature of human identity, New Age frameworks, and what mainstream accounts consistently miss about consciousness and reality.
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[0:00] Intro and Housekeeping
[unclear]: You are now listening to the Here For The Truth podcast, hosted by Joel Rafidi and Yerasimos.
Joel: Hey guys, welcome to episode 90 of the Here For The Truth podcast. I'm Joel Rafidi.
Yerasimos: You already said that. Why are you saying the same thing that you say when he comes on?
Joel: It's no big deal.
Yerasimos: Yeah, but sometimes we do, because you say it there, what's up, you know what I mean?
Joel: Let's just roll with this. Guys, Yerasimos has a problem with the way I'm introducing the podcast now. So why don't you just do it? And this is 100% going in as the intro.
Yerasimos: All right, cool. What's up, everybody? Yerasimos here. We got Joel Rafidi over there with the great Here For The Truth hat. I just want to say that this week or last week we were banned from YouTube. We had three strikes. So we're off that platform. But it's all good because all our episodes, you can listen to them on your favourite podcast platform. You can watch them on hereforthetruth.com. We'll also be uploading our videos to another platform soon as well.
Other than that, I just want to let you know our membership community, Friends of the Truth, is live. We had an amazing first guest with Jaguar Hart, who also happened to be our first podcast guest. And our next three guest experts are going to be David Whitehead in October. We got Melissa, Miss Alyssa Sell in November, and then we got Jason Christoff coming in December. So if you want to be in the same room as them, you want to interact with them and ask questions on top of the live teachings that Joel and I will provide each month as well and be part of amazing community, go to friendsofthetruth.co and check out what it's all about. It's really, really cool.
Joel: Yeah. And on top of monthly live community hangouts. So literally, you get a lot of teaching with us. You get a live guest expert call where you can interact and submit questions and you get that community call as well. So this is an incredible offer, guys. It's an awesome container of like-minded individuals and families. And the very cool thing about this offer also is that it's only one membership required per household. So for any of your family members within the same house, they can join the Telegram community, they can join the live calls, they can interact and submit questions all under the one single membership. So yeah, please head to friendsofthetruth.co to check that out.
[unclear]: Oh, sorry. Am I allowed to speak now?
Joel: Yeah, you're allowed to speak. No worries.
Yerasimos: Guys, we had an awesome conversation with Brendan Murphy. This is a lot of fun. We share similar views. We're on the same page about a lot of things, as you might imagine. So please enjoy.
[2:57] Welcome and Brendan's Bio
Yerasimos: All right, everybody, welcome to episode 90 of Here For The Truth podcast. We have the incredible Brendan Murphy in the house today. He's a self-proclaimed truth addict. His adult life, he's been keenly aware of the falsehoods we are indoctrinated into from our youth and driven by a deep burning need to do something about it so that we stop growing up as watered down parodies and characters of ourselves and become what we're meant to be. Powerful, aware, informed, creative, intelligent, adaptable and intentional.
He spent 17 years and some 15,000 plus hours studying in the fields of consciousness, psychology, different healing modalities, self-evolution, conspiracy facts, exo-politics and much more. He's the author of The Grand Illusion and has just launched his new online platform, Truthiversity. Brendan, welcome to Here For The Truth. It sounds like you're in the right place.
Brendan: Thanks for having me. And I just realised that you guys asked for a bio at some point. I didn't see it until the last minute. And I was like, ah, I just realised then you've got an old bio. So yeah, 19 years now.
Yerasimos: Yeah, cool. Now we just pieced some things together from your very interesting website. So glad we're able to make that happen.
[4:10] The Truth-Seeking Journey Begins
Yerasimos: The way I really want to kick this one off, as usual with most of our guests, what brought you here? What is your truth-seeking journey, so to speak? What are the major rites of passage that really catalysed a new profound transformation that was like, hey, this is what I stand for. This is the direction I'm moving in.
Brendan: For me, it was pretty clear cut and obvious because I had one of those watershed moments where it was like the light bulb went off. So when I was just about 20, nearly 20 or 19 going on 20, my young brother was still in high school. And he had a talk given by some young fellow that day, a young entrepreneur at school. He came home and he was telling me about what this guy was supposed to be talking about. It was supposed to be about business, but he kept going off on this tangent about some book that he read that was really amazing. He found it so interesting and kept talking about it. And so my brother's like, I don't know why, I just feel like maybe I should mention this to you. The book was called The Holographic Universe. It's quite a famous book now. Probably you guys have read it and a lot of people in the awake movement have.
And so I put that in the back of my mind for six months or so before I finally got around to going and reading it. And it was the perfect time in my life to do that because at that point I didn't have any allegiance to any kind of ideology or dogma. I didn't really have any clear ideas about what I thought was real or what was happening in the world. And that blew my mind. It showed me that what I had been indoctrinated with and conditioned with up till that point was basically nonsense. And the nature of reality was very different to how we are generally led to believe through, whether it's Christian religion or whether it is the school system and the modern science, which is completely outdated.
And so that just lit the spark in the fire and I became very curious about everything. From there, I never looked back. I never looked at doing a normal kind of life. I never did a nine to five. I was just 100% on this journey of truth seeking and then distilling and then sharing what I was learning along the way. So I became addicted to that path and learning and study. So, being a perpetual student from that point on, I had mystical experiences early on and that solidified the conceptual ideas of what was in The Holographic Universe. And it showed me, through direct experience, what is really true about that kind of stuff and the nature of reality. So from that reference point of knowing from experience that I am, what we really are is infinite consciousness, living a normal life, as prescribed by society, was never really an option.
[6:44] Mystical Experiences and Meditation
Yerasimos: Awesome, man. Do you mind divulging into your mystical experiences?
Brendan: Yeah, the first one was not long after I read that book. I was just lying in bed waiting to go to sleep one night and the next thing I knew I was infinite. And that's all I can really say. I was infinite, a field of infinite consciousness, but still with the duality of having the pinpoint singular point of I am awareness within this infinite awareness. And as soon as I tried to mentally process what was going on, it kind of ended that experience.
I ended up taking up meditation and I meditated quite consistently multiple times a week for a couple of years. And I had more experiences like that along the way where it was a little bit more controlled and a little bit more sustained. I had some pretty, pretty cool stuff, but there's only so many times you need to go into that place to understand, to have the knowing.
Yerasimos: Yeah, do you think a lot of people, they get a taste of that and then they just keep chasing it and chasing it and chasing it, whether it's through meditation or through psychedelic experiences, etc.?
Brendan: Yeah, I think there's a danger of that chasing and that escaping and people, instead of bringing that knowledge and awareness into their lives in the day-to-day and embodying that, to try to clutch at it and grasp at it is potentially not very helpful. Just depends what your intention is with it. I would actually like to get back into meditating, but I need a reason to do it. I need an agenda to bother doing it. Otherwise, I'm not going to. So it's just one of those things you got to be aware, self-aware of what it is that's actually motivating that. Are you trying to escape reality? Are you trying to go into these altered states because you'd rather not deal with your shit in real life?
Yerasimos: Yeah, I think that's such a huge piece. You see it a lot in different spiritual, quote unquote, spiritual communities, where it's just they exchange one form of escape, whether they used to be hardcore partiers or whatever, to the flip side, escaping through certain new age protocols. It's interesting to see. You mentioned The Holographic Universe. That's Michael Talbot, right?
Brendan: Yep.
[9:03] Influences and the Geopolitical Awakening
Yerasimos: Any other teachers that have had an impact on you? Books that have had an impact on you?
Brendan: I'm sure tons. I guess there are probably one or two that are really powerful at certain points in time. That was the metaphysical awakening. And then what came maybe within the next 12 months was the geopolitical awakening, which was actually courtesy of a friend of mine whose mom was kind of into all that stuff. I'd go and visit their place. This is back in Sydney. Her mom was interested in it. She wasn't so much. And one day her mother grabbed me by the hand and walked me upstairs to a bookshelf and she was like, okay, she pulls this book out and she's like, you need to read this. And I took it with me and I did. And I got about 90 or what was it, 100 pages into the thing, 99 pages into the thing. And I realised, at that point it was actually making me physically, almost physically sick to realise how the world is actually operated and how it's manipulated. And that was courtesy of a little-known fellow called David Icke. So that was that phase of the awakening. And then you just push on with it. But it's good to have that spiritual foundation in place beforehand. I think it helps you to be able to integrate and reconcile a lot of the less positive information.
Yerasimos: Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there. Speaking personally for me, I started, let's say a little bit post 9-11, I think was where my journey began. But I was an actor in a previous incarnation. And a lot of my training was consciousness-based. My teacher had a lot of psychologists on the staff, etc. And so having that psychological foundation and understanding myself to a certain level, then when I really started diving into a lot of this truth stuff, like you said, I had a foundation. I felt healthy. I was able to take this in and be able to hold space for it as opposed to, what the fuck is going on in the world?
Joel: Again, again, people's gaze goes external. We have external truth and that's great and everything. But if you haven't pointed that gaze inwards into yourself and built that foundation and that inner strength and brought some regulation to your nervous system, I could totally see how coming to these realisations around what's going on in the world, or coming across, let's say, a book like David Icke's, would make a person a little bit maybe potentially unstable.
[11:25] Instability in the Truth Movement
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. I see that a lot in, if you can call it the truth movement, there's a lot of personalities out there that are in that unstable space. It seems to. I think it attracts a certain type of person, but it can also be destabilising once you're in it because you're grasping for something to hold on to and that makes sense of things and something that's reassuring. Because fundamentally, that's why people adopt a belief system or a dogma or theology, because they want comfort. And when you go into Chapel Perilous, as Robert Anton Wilson called it, this crazy conspiracy realm where anything seems possible, it can be really super destabilising and very intimidating.
And if you don't know who and what you are, what is quite likely along the waves, you become, you can become very, depending on your mindset, some people going down the religious fundamentalism path and they become really rigidified in that and really dogmatic around that because their sense of identity is tied up to it. Everything around it, everything outside of that is very threatening to it, but they find an anchor point and a point of balance and stability through that belief system. And then other people who have maybe more of an atheistic kind of take on things, they don't have such a reassuring something to hold on to. And then it can be quite demoralising, I think, in some ways.
Even me having the foundation that I had, by the time I was 99 pages into David Icke's book, I still felt sick to my stomach because this was all this information that is deliberately kept out of the mass media and the school system and all this kind of stuff, the political discourse. And to realise that we are played in this way, even if not 100% of it is accurate, even if just 50% is accurate, it's pretty horrific.
Yerasimos: Yeah. Which one of his books do you remember?
Brendan: It was Children of the Matrix.
Yerasimos: Gotcha. Cool.
[13:18] From New Age to Hardcore Christianity
Yerasimos: Real quick, I want to see if you can comment on this, just because you talked about people escaping into religion, etc. I've found, especially in the last few years, and Joel, if you want to comment on this, you can, that I'm noticing people that have gone down the new age path for a while have flipped and become hardcore Christians. Can you comment on that a little bit? Your thoughts on that from the psychological underpinnings of what causes a person to do that?
Brendan: Yeah, that's a really awesome question. And I'm actually going to really dig into this in some of the talks and presentations I'm going to do inside Truthiversity. So it's a subject that really, really interests me and has for a long time. It's always bugged me. What is it that makes someone do that to themselves? Become so, because there's different, there's a spectrum of the believers, right? There's a spectrum. And then what you see in the kind of conspiracy world is you often meet with a very hardcore sort of Bible-thumping fundamentalist mentality. Whereas outside of that, you can often find much more sort of enlightened, aware
So there's a spectrum. But in our world, we tend to attract the really hardcore, narrow-minded ones.
And I think that what happens, I've been making that same exact observation, brother, over the last however many years it's been. Because it seems to have happened at an accelerated rate in the last, say, five years. It's like the more unstable the world around us becomes, the more people revert back into this kind of archaic belief system. It's kind of like a life raft. Again, they're drowning in a sea of uncertainty and they're trying to hold on to something that is reassuring and stable.
And that dogma, if you approach it with that mentality, that is a very black and white way of looking at the world. It simplifies things and it allows you to grasp things, even though it's an incredibly, incredibly simplistic way. You can grasp onto things and it's like, well, that falls into that category. That's the devil. And then over here, we've got people who are on the side of Jesus. And you're either this one or you're that one. And that's very easy to grasp the world through that extremely simplistic lens.
And then they have the reassurance of, well, I believe in Jesus, so I'm going to be fine. I'm going to be booking a seat on the cloud. It's okay. Whatever happens to me, I'm going to fight the devil to my last breath, and no matter what happens, I'm going to be booking that seat on the cloud, so it's okay. So it's a very reassuring concept.
[15:41] Julian Jaynes and the Bicameral Mind
Brendan: And we also have a history, in the morphic field and in our neurology, we have a history of this. We used to be super religious. Humans used to live in a super religious mentality, and this insight came primarily from Julian Jaynes. And it's been elaborated on and researched a lot more and received a lot more support. A lot of people don't realize this. But his incredible insight was that if you go back beyond 1500 BC and all the ways to say 10,000 BC in that time frame, we were what's called super religious.
So we actually neurologically, psychologically were radically different to how we are now. And we did not, as humans, have the psychological sophistication. We didn't have the self-awareness. We didn't have the awareness that we were aware. We didn't have the ability to step back from ourselves in that sort of figurative virtual way and look back at ourselves and go, I'm aware that I'm aware. I'm conscious of being conscious. That came later as society became more complex and the social order started to be challenged and break down. The brain had to actually evolve different ways to cope with that and it became what we call interiorized.
So we ended up developing over time from, say, roughly approximately 1500 BC into the next, say, 1000 years. We developed a radically different neurology and what we used to have in the super religious mindset. What Jaynes called the bicameral mind was this inability to kind of think and rationalize and make decisions for ourselves in the moment. So if something couldn't be done, if an action couldn't be performed or a problem couldn't be solved on autopilot, which basically means unconsciously, then what happened was if they had to be faced with making a decision. The right side of the brain would send a message into the left side of the brain, which they would experience as basically an auditory or visual hallucination. And they would hallucinate, essentially hallucinate that a god or the god was telling them what to do. And so they didn't have what we now experience as free will.
So we've come from a radically different place and those experiences gradually became sort of canon. They became canonized. They based their theology around it. These people, these prophets and that kind of thing, these people who had the remnants of that older psychology and they gradually started to die out. But what the Bible tried to do was they pulled all this material together, obviously very politically motivated. A lot of texts never made the cut. And we ended up with the Holy Bible, which is this sort of harking back to the super religious age where people had that direct experience auditorily and sometimes visually of communicating with God, which was the way that their brain was interpreting the right hemisphere, communicating with the left hemisphere in a situation where they had to make a decision, which is a little bit an overview of how that played out.
So in the background of the human brain and the psyche, that is still there. That impulse is still there. We remember on an unconscious level that we used to be told what to do by an external, right? That's how it was experienced, by an external source, a deity, which told us so we didn't have to think for ourselves because we actually at that point in time couldn't do it. We weren't neurologically capable of it. It's a harking back to a much simpler time when it was like we were kind of like children in the Garden of Eden and God would tell us what to do and we would do it.
And because it was experienced in a way that maybe today's schizophrenics would hear our voice, it's a very invasive, extremely invasive, intimidating dynamic. So the person who's hearing the voice doesn't really have a great deal of capacity to say, no, no, no, I'm going to do it my way. It's so overwhelming that they are instinctively compelled to do the behaviour that they are being instructed to do. So that is a very, we're harking back to that. If you revert back into that fundamentalist mindset, you're actually unconsciously trying to get back to that earlier place, which is, again, a much simpler way of being because you don't have to make decisions for yourself for one thing.
Yerasimos: So are you saying, I'm familiar with this book, I have it, I haven't read the whole thing, it's The Origins of Consciousness and the Bicameral Mind? Is that his book?
Brendan: Yeah, and The Breakdown of Bicameral Mind.
Yerasimos: Fantastic marketing title.
Brendan: Yeah.
Yerasimos: So would you say now, let's say us sitting here where we have different parts of us that are speaking to us, would you say that back then there was a version of that where another part of the brain would kind of send signals or thoughts, but they were also potentially auditory? Could it just be also another part of their brain thinking something that then they thought was coming from a god as well?
Brendan: Yeah, well, that's basically his model was that the right side of the brain, in the left hemisphere, there's this part on the side that's called Wernicke's area. And on the right side, his hypothesis was that on the right side, there was a corresponding area, so kind of like a mirror image. And that the volitional impulse or the thing in your brain or psyche telling you what to do in a situation was the right hemisphere shooting that signalling across to the left. And then you experience it as this hallucination. And you're basically like, shit, I have to do this. Whatever the instruction is, you have to obey it because it's a God commanding you and you're just this puny little pissant. You can't argue.
Yerasimos: Yeah, it's for some reason, it's making me think of a movie I loved when I was younger. Real Genius is one of Val Kilmer's first movies where he plays a genius, a young genius in the school for geniuses. And there's a part of the movie where one of the guys was kind of like, you say he's the villain, but he's like the teacher's pet. While he's sleeping, they go in there and then they hook up some kind of thing to his braces. And then when he wakes up, they're able to transmit a voice to them and the guy thinks he's talking to God. So anyways, it's pretty hilarious. It was definitely a movie I enjoyed when I was young. But check it out. Real Genius.
Brendan: I've never seen it. I'll have to check that out. I saw a really good example of, there was a show recently, what's it called, Manifest or something like that? It's a series and I'm not watching it. I watched some of the first episode and in it, it just happened to have this woman who was on a bus and she suddenly hears this voice telling her to tell the bus driver to stop the bus or something. And I just really thought the way they acted it out and portrayed it was actually really powerful because she hears this voice and it's so intimidating and overwhelming. It's like someone slapping you in the face and you can't ignore that. You can't ignore a voice in your head the way that you can block out other phenomena. It's just, it's so invasive that you really are left with no options other than to, in terms of the bicameral people, do what they were told.
And they interpreted that as doing what the gods were telling them to do. And this is how their social order and hierarchy was maintained because people were obeying the same sources of authority and authorization. As society became more complex and tribes started to meet and interconnect, that hierarchy starts to break down and situations that have never been faced before have to be dealt with. So decisions that have never been made before have to be made. And so the whole thing gradually starts to crumble and we had to evolve into a newer interiorized state of consciousness where we actually are consciously aware that it's me deciding to do this thing. I'm not hearing a God supposedly external to me telling me to do this. There's no voices. There's no visions. It's just me going, I think I'll go for a walk.
[22:55] Do Voices of God Still Occur Today?
Joel: Yeah. Is this phenomenon still possible with man's modern mind? Because I'm just trying to potentially link this to people who claim to have, you know, God experiences and spoken to God and whatnot. As a potential justification.
Yerasimos: Well, real quick. Yeah, I want to jump in there, too, because I read a book years back called Under the Banner of Heaven by John Krakauer, and it explored the history of the Mormon religion and the kind of baseline or the book was based on these two brothers who were part of fundamentalist sects, sects, not S-E-X, but S-E-C-T-S, Mormon sects. And one of them said they received a message from God to kill the other brother's 18-month-old baby. And so that's what the book is based on. But they go into the whole history of Mormonism. And in terms of religions, to have something that's pretty new relative to Christianity, it was a really fascinating study on that. So it's interesting to think about what Joel said, there are people who hear voices now or they say God told them to do a thing. So I'm curious how that plays out and if that is a remnant of that distant past.
Brendan: Yeah, the evidence suggests that that is a remnant. It is this vestigial kind of hangover from that era because we have people who do still hear voices and sometimes they're just hearing gibberish. Sometimes they hear a voice, maybe one of their parents' voices telling them what to do or telling them off, or it takes a lot of different forms. And today we call that schizophrenia. But back in the super religious bicameral era, as far as Jaynes was concerned, everybody had that happening. So there was no concept of mental illness because everybody was what we would now call mentally ill. It was normal.
Joel: Sounds like a party.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we still have...
Yerasimos: I'd like to be a fly on the wall during that time. It would have been, oh my God, I can't believe how interesting that would have been to actually be able to see that in action.
Brendan: A radically, radically different social experience.
[25:02] The New Age, Christianity and Politics
Joel: Yeah. One observation I've made in terms of this radical shift from, I guess, New Age to Christianity within people within the movement and outside of it also is that I think the New Age can be like the spiritual manifestation of the left and obviously fundamental religion can be the spiritual manifestation of the right. We've seen this huge shift, obviously, as the left has moved and the right's moved from the left to the right also. And people are almost just taking that on board in a spiritual sense, quote unquote, as well, particularly with the rise of Trump and whatnot.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah, the right. I agree with that and what you just said about the right and the left. And yeah, that's how it has been to a large extent. But yeah, the New Age movement has become more and more. It's interesting and strange and dissociative.
[25:53] Archetypes, Aliens and the Collective Unconscious
Brendan: And some of the experiences that people have, I think, are remnants of that old bicameral psychology, but it's different now because we used to say, oh, it's God. It's the voice of a God, this God, that God. And then it became sort of angels, angels, and then the demon concept came along. And this is all as the breakdown of the bicameral mind is happening. And so we have this progression of phenomena and, you know, the way that we're interpreting it.
And it's not that I'm sticking to a reductionist view. I'm not a materialist. So I'm not saying that we can't communicate with, say, other intelligences or other beings. As a mystic, I operate from a field of infinite consciousness. So there's a lot of possibility in that.
Joel: Right.
Brendan: So it's just a matter of. The brain's way of interacting with itself as well as processing information from the field has gradually shifted and it's gotten quite bizarre and the storyline from angels and demons has evolved more into kind of like aliens and demons.
Joel: Yes.
Brendan: And that's becoming a very elaborate, complex sort of storyline in the collective unconscious at the moment. And a lot of people are getting kind of like beguiled by it and taking it at face value. But I think a lot of the time what's actually happening is people having experiences, like kind of archetypical experiences as they have contact with the collective unconscious. And it's a very numinous, very powerful, overwhelming experience. It's completely real as far as you're concerned if you're having that experience in the moment. Completely real.
But it does need to be stepped back from and then analysed in terms of a bigger picture and the pattern that we can see because a lot of the alien stuff can be traced back through into the Middle Ages and beyond. And if you go through the centuries, you can see that the phenomenon evolves according to the time frame that we're in and the technology that's available and the belief systems that we have and it changes to reflect the beliefs of the people at the time. So that's a dead giveaway that we're interacting with something that is not, you know, not little men from outer space. It's not simply as obvious as, oh, well, there's a visiting, visiting. What's the word I'm looking for? Civilizations coming to Earth. It's not that simple.
It's oftentimes contact with the collective unconscious means you're contacting us, like the collective side of humanity and all these crazy stories and ideas and archetypes that are in there, which can be activated. And if you have a susceptibility, like people under massive amounts of duress often have these types of experiences as their mind kind of breaks down and becomes vulnerable to input from the collective. They can have these experiences of, you know, alien this, alien that, abduction, whatever it might be. And it's not to disparage people who are having the experiences. It's just a matter of sort of stepping back and looking at, well, what is the nature of this? And sometimes you can see that it's an archetypal kind of a thing and it follows a shamanic kind of a patterning and that you can trace back through the centuries. Other times it's less obvious what's going on.
Joel: Yeah.
Yerasimos: Yeah.
I want to get into, go deeper into this subject around aliens and UFOs and all this stuff, but I want to just revisit what you were saying around how in the New Age community, there are elements from that distant past, the bicameral mind. You see all these people all the time in these quote-unquote spiritual communities where they're just like, Spirit told me to do this, and Spirit told me to do that, and Spirit told me to do this, and Spirit told me to date my twin flame, and whatever the case may be.
And it's just, I'm trying to, what's the voice? How do you know it's Spirit telling you to do the thing or go on the trip? Or I'm going to wait for Spirit to tell me what the next thing to do is. And it just seems like it relates to that time period from thousands and thousands of years ago. So I'm curious about your thoughts on that. Obviously, I'm mocking it a little bit, but I find it kind of interesting how it relates.
Brendan: Yeah, man. And it's good observations, too. I really empathise with that. And it is easy to make fun of some of those people, because some of them are really very deep in that hole. A lot of it comes out of dissociation and I think trauma, because you can see there's a certain type of personality that's very in denial of reality. They've got that tendency to try to escape reality and always be in that spiritual place. And so, yeah, you get that stuff, Spirit told me to do this and that, and twin flame this and whatever.
And then at the same time, it is true that we can have this interaction with the collective consciousness and the quantum field and this information, because ultimately we're swimming in a sea of information and the fundamental aspect of everything is consciousness. So it becomes a bit complicated. You've got to ask the question, well, what is, at the end of the day, what is real? If we're having these encounters with other beings, technically. Whether it's a thought form entity that we've created unconsciously, which I think a lot of this stuff really is, or it might be a type of being that has its own independent existence in the grand order of things. But if you boil it down to the base of infinite consciousness, it's all part of us. Everything is part of us. And that's where it's like, well, what's real anyway? You get to that point very often, you're like, ah.
Host: Well, that's how I translate it in that sense, where it's like you're giving credit to this external thing, where for me, I translate it as my intuition. There's some part of me that was like, go here, make a left turn, pick up that book, date that person, don't date that person. Do you know what I mean? Where it's just coming from this place that, yes, I guess if I was some spiritual type and wore the outfits and everything, I could just say Spirit told me, whereas I'm like, well, no, I told myself.
It's amazing, it's just decorating intuition.
Brendan: And that's it, man. Everybody here is plugged in to that quantum field. So everybody here has access to all the same information. And that's what that gut feeling can be. That's just being plugged into that information flow. And yeah, you're right. I do see a direct parallel there between that kind of a mentality of, oh, the spirit, spirituality. So it's kind of having clairaudience, a voice telling you what to do or whatever it comes through as. And that's a direct parallel to some of that bicameral stuff. It doesn't mean that there's not some kind of interesting thing happening. Because there is.
And I think that even though Jaynes's model was fundamentally a materialistic model, he didn't deal with any of the paranormal stuff. But if you go into parapsychology and start dealing with the psychical research and all this, it's like, well, that was a big missing piece of his puzzle. That was the real weak point, that he didn't go that far and he didn't take it that far. So when you do, an honest investigator who has access to 21st-century information has to acknowledge all of that and just be like, okay, well, the Jaynesian thing fits. It's a major piece of the puzzle, but it fits into a bigger picture where psychic experiences do happen.
We're in this quantum model, this quantum paradigm now that Jaynes in 1976, when he published that book, that wasn't as well established as it is now, even though in quantum mechanics and physics, that paradigm had destroyed materialism completely by that point. But it's not embraced in the academic world and community. They still have a large amount of resistance to dealing with consciousness on its own terms. And that means dealing with parapsychology and psychic phenomena and all this stuff.
[33:22] What the Quantum Field Is
Host: Can you break down simply what is the quantum field? We hear this, but I think people are never grasping what that actually is. What does that mean?
Brendan: I think it's the current sort of in-vogue way of talking about the infinite field of consciousness that is the ground of reality. As far as I'm concerned, it's like, well, in physics, again, they've had this huge bias, because we've come out of a period of time where we've had this Cartesian split between the church and the world of the scientists, right? So the church was going to deal with the spirit, and the scientists were going to deal with the natural world. And they were never supposed to tread on each other's toes and get into each other's territory. And so the scientists remained blind to the religious phenomena, and the people in religion remained blind to the development of scientific information and paradigms.
And I think it's just essentially, if you're talking about the quantum field, you're really talking about a field of consciousness that is the ground reality, which is, that is where this hologram that we are living in, this holographic reality, is projected from the ground, whatever you want to call it, the pleroma, the consciousness field, the infinite. That is essentially having a dream. It projects like a dream into itself. And we end up living in this holographic reality because we inject ourselves into it and, typically, forget where we came from and who's doing the dreaming.
But I'm getting off on a tangent, but I think that is the quantum field, the basis, the real basis of the quantum field, because it contains all information and the base of it is consciousness, which they try to avoid, because they'll talk about information, bits, quantum bits and this and that. But information doesn't mean anything unless there's consciousness there to process it and make some kind of meaning out of it.
[35:11] Who We Are and Where We Come From
Host: So my next question is, who are we and where do we come from?
Brendan: Yeah, I sound like a broken record. We are infinite consciousness. That's the only reality. That's the only eternal reality. That's where we create all these different dreams of parallel worlds, multiple universes, all this stuff, being human, having a human experience. And ultimately, we get to be all of it, but the only permanent thing is the underlying field of infinite consciousness.
Host: So how does, I guess, individual expression or individuality bridge into that for you? Do we all come from the same infinite source, infinite consciousness? On the primordial level, are we all from the same thing? But how is individual expression brought forth in that?
Brendan: Well, I think, in my opinion, we all come from the same kind of primordial source. And maybe, in terms of infinity, you have to sort of acknowledge the possibility of infinite numbers of infinities, which kind of does your head in a bit.
Where the individual experience comes from, I think, we as infinite consciousness, if that's the base, if that's where the starting point is, then there's nothing else for this eternal intelligence to do but to create dreams of duality or dreams of otherness and explore these other little adventures as what it is not. It's because infinite potential has to be, in my opinion, infinite potential has to be infinitely manifest, which means every single possibility has to be an actuality as well. So we were inevitable. And this is one way that the infinite injects itself into its little dream worlds and then has a play and it gets to be Joel and it gets to be Yerasimos and it gets to be Brendan. And then after a little while it gets bored of that and then it withdraws and dreams another dream.
Host: Interesting, man.
Brendan: Thanks for following that journey with me. I appreciate that.
[37:18] Aliens and Disclosure
Host: So are you ready to talk about aliens or what? Yeah, I really want to get into your view on that, on aliens and the whole disclosure. You have people like Dr. Stephen Greer and all these people and Area 51. How much of that is true? What are your thoughts on that?
Brendan: It's such a huge can of worms, and it's one of those things where, like the Stephen Greer stuff, he's really into the whole getting a group together and going out onto the mountaintop and mentally communicating with these beings and trying to get them to manifest. But a lot of the UFO phenomena over the years, or contact phenomena, suggests that it's not really quite what it seems. And it keeps shapeshifting, over the ages it shapeshifts. And it's like, well, given that's what's going on, is it really what it looks like now in the 21st century? It looks very different to what it looked like in the 15th century, because that was a completely different ballgame, even though you'll find in the Middle Ages paintings of what we would call UFOs. But the inhabitants of these things have shifted and changed.
And there are these storylines that have been built up around them now, which it's like, like I was saying earlier, you get to a point where you don't actually know for sure what is real in terms of is this an independently existing intelligence or is this something that we have unconsciously conjured, because all of this stuff is contained. All the gods and angels and demons are contained in the collective unconscious. And people think of it as a passive, kind of like a garbage dump or something where just information just gets shoved. But it's not like that. It's actually alive. And it has this kind of volitional will of its own. And it will try. It does break through and it does communicate with us in ways that we, some people, like synchronicity is an example in many instances of the collective unconscious communicating with us. And that's a very interesting tangent itself.
But the alien thing is very difficult, because if we can have contact with the collective unconscious and it is feeding, it's mirroring back to us what we believe right now in terms of, well, we've got a very technological view of things, everything's technology focused and based. And so this is the kind of experience we're having. And we've been obsessed for, I don't know, decades now with things like genetics and reproduction and medicine and altering the human genome and transhumanism and all this. And then all that stuff is reflected back in these alien experiences. There's this obsession with their breeding programs, the manipulation of human DNA and all this kind of stuff.
[39:59] The Astral Fantasia and Thought Forms
Brendan: And I have to ask myself how much of that is actually this ever-evolving kind of what I call the Astral Fantasia. I've started calling the Astral Fantasia this kind of collection of all these amazing and incredible types of beings and phenomena and experiences, which are quite possibly, I think most of the time, manifestations of the collective unconscious thought form entities, because we create thought form beings just by thinking. Like if you have a hostile thought about somebody, at the level of the astral and mental planes, you are sending information which manifests as certain types of thought forms or even certain types of entities which will then seem to be attacking the person who you've had a hostile thought about.
And if someone sees that stuff clairvoyantly, they might interpret that as, oh, there are these aliens that are after me. But it could actually simply be that Yerasimos had the shits with you and he was pissed off. And because of that, these thought forms were generated by him unconsciously. He had no idea he was doing it. And then they've gone off to the target, and a lot of people interpret this as sort of psychic attack and this hostile, intentional thing, aliens or monsters, whatever. But a lot of it, we're just unconsciously generating ourselves.
Yerasimos: Joel tells me he sees aliens all the time, but it's just me sending him psychic attacks on a regular basis.
[unclear]: You got a love-hate thing going, hey?
Joel: I love it. You're like, [inaudible] aliens just coming at me. You know? No, but it's, I love having these dialogues because it's like, I don't know, man. This is what's so fascinating. You hear all these stories and you read the books and it's, I don't know. Like, is something going to come and there's little green beings that are going to come out of a spaceship? Do we have alien technology that the government is working on and using and keeping from us? And, like, I don't know.
[41:53] Physicalising Thought Forms
Brendan: I think, and also it's worth adding, man, because people can sometimes take me the wrong way. With this stuff, when I talk about the manifesting of the collective unconscious, I'm not saying it's an imaginary thing that only exists at the level of thought. It actually can be physicalised. We can actually physicalise thought forms. We can make a thought form visible in the visible spectrum of light. And if enough psychic energy is behind a thought form or an archetypal type of experience, it can physically manifest.
And I think that's where probably at least some, maybe a lot, maybe even all of, I wouldn't say, I don't like to say all because I don't like making blanket statements, but a lot of, say, alien craft have probably manifested physically. But then again, it's like, well, okay, apparently we're reverse engineering some of this stuff, which makes me think, well, that doesn't sound like an archetypal manifestation. But I don't know. The answer is, unless we're there behind those closed doors. And even those guys, a lot of those guys in the disclosure arena, I think are quite beguiled by this phenomenon. If a craft crashes or a body is found, the assumption is always that it has a physical origin or that it's from another galaxy or another world, but it may not be. What's possible is that a lot of things can actually physically manifest out of what we would call thin air, aka the collective unconscious or the field of information, and it can be physicalised.
That's how we got here. We got physicalised through multiple dimensional layers, and eventually we have the physical world, physical bodies, and when we die, the physical stops working. We still have the etheric body. We share the etheric body. We share the astral body. We share the mental body and all these different layers of energy and information.
So, yeah, in Robert Monroe's books, he had a group of people working to produce thought forms, and their goal of this one particular exercise, which I talk about in book two, actually book one, I think, was to manifest visible red light up in the sky.
And they spent a certain amount of time as a group focusing on this one thing. Eventually, this one bloke in the group went, "Hey, look up, look higher." They actually had to look higher than they had aimed the target, so to speak. They aimed here, but the light manifested up here.
So they did succeed in generating a visible red light in the visible light spectrum as a group through nothing more than mental intention. And there are thousands of experiments that prove that we can interact psychically with the environment around us.
[44:21] The Monroe Institute
[unclear]: So, Mount Bustin.
Yerasimos: Yeah, this is the Monroe Institute, right? I feel like people have told me about or invited me to things where they've taken courses where they're bending spoons with their thoughts. Is that similar?
Brendan: Yeah, okay. I don't know how much spoon bending they do, but a lot of astral travel stuff, yeah.
Host: Okay, all right. I'm so fascinated by all this. I don't have direct experience, but I'm definitely open-minded enough to think there are many things that could be possible.
[44:53] UFO Encounters and Psychic Connection
Host: I think it's really interesting to me that with a lot of the UFO alien phenomena, there is a pattern where people go through a very significant time in their lives, or potentially a very stressful time in their lives, or a fork in the road moment. And that is very, very often when these types of encounters happen. And that to me tells me that there is most definitely very often a psychic connection between the thing that's manifesting and the person who's witnessing it, having that experience.
Brendan: I saw a huge orange disc above me about 100 metres in the air at night, I think it was early 2012. I was living in Perth at the time. I was out in the backyard and for no apparent reason I had this impulse to look directly up above me. And there's this huge orange disc. As soon as it realised that I had my eyes fixed on it, it took off at a very, very rapid speed and it disappeared, but it didn't disappear over the horizon. It just vanished.
And this stuff gets caught on radars. So it has a real physical presence. If it's solid enough that a radar signal is being bounced off it, that tells me that the psychic, psychological phenomenon involved can actually manifest at a physical level. And that's how powerful the energy behind these types of archetypal experiences can be. It is something that starts in the immaterial world but can manifest physically.
And the fact that it so often happens when someone's going through a really crucial point in their lives tells me something. It's not Nazis hanging around in their flying saucers, waiting for you to have an amazing profound moment or turning point in your life. No, it's something more profound and more subtle than that.
[46:39] Tarot and the Unconscious
Host: Cool. Amazing. One very, very simple way that I can attempt to give language to the unconscious. For example, I'm a member of Michael Tassarian's Mystery School. And when you read tarot, you're not really contacting an angel or an oracle or anything like that, you're tapping into the unconscious and you're basically giving the unconscious a language.
And so when you get a card that is so absolutely spot on, it's simply because you're providing a language and a form for that unconscious to express itself, and the proper environment and arena to do so. So if you think about that on a macro level, then yes, I can kind of see how all of this is possible for sure. But yeah, fascinating. Definitely. Yeah.
Brendan: I agree, man. That's a really good analogy, actually.
[47:26] Looking Back on 2020
Host: So what's your focus these days, man? Obviously, we've experienced a lot since 2020. How did you feel about that? Did you see that coming? Was that far more intense than you expected it to be? And are people just going to forget about the massive bouts of tyranny and totalitarianism that were experienced and go back and regress to normal life, or have things shifted in a permanent manner?
Brendan: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of everything there. I think most people are very, very happy to forget. Most people have very short memories. The historical awareness is not really very high. People don't know what Stalin's Communist Soviet Union looked like and what was happening there. They don't understand how the techniques of propaganda and brainwashing continue to be passed along down through the years and the decades and used all around the world by the governments that are supposed to serve.
So, yeah, I didn't see it. I didn't know when that kind of thing was going to happen. But when I paid attention to it, I realised that it was the rollout of the end game. So to speak, they were really going hard for the whole depopulation thing, the total and utter biomedical surveillance enslavement of everybody thing. And honestly, to be honest, I was shocked. I was appalled at how many people just bought into it. I couldn't believe it.
Especially in Australia, where I was just in horror of how many people were so keen to just bend over and take it and not actually question anything, not look at any real information or data, but just say, "Oh, yeah, well, we better do what they tell us." The mentality of complacency was just shocking.
So, yeah, I think we've got a long, long way to go to any kind of great awakening or whatever, but it's sort of like the lay of the land has shifted. But has it shifted enough? Do we have the 10%? Do we have the critical mass to prevent this kind of thing from happening again? Is this just the last ditch desperate attempt of the cabal to do its thing before it all falls apart? It kind of looks like there's some desperation there as well. Yeah, there's definitely massive amounts of desperation there for sure. Yeah, sorry, Yerasimos.
Yerasimos: No, I was just going to say, obviously, I live in a little bubble being in this world. My beginnings in the truth world came from the health world. So, February 2020, I was like, okay, yeah, what's coming right now? I just sniffed it from day one. I'm fortunate to have a lot of people in my life that way, but also people who totally, like you said, just took it right up the ass. They just bent over and they just didn't question anything.
[unclear]: Look, the reality is, this was a giant experiment. They got the data they wanted. They were like, yeah, okay, this works. Well, yeah.
Joel: But I also, this is what I was going to say, even though I'm in my bubble, doing my own thing, I find it hard for something like this to come up again and for people to have just total faith in public health, unless your mind and your psyche has been completely co-opted and you have that percentage on the one side. How do you have someone jump on the TV again and say, "You all have to stay home right now. Stay home, stay safe." And then they're like, oh my God, this thing that happened for two years, we had to do the same thing again.
I just feel like those numbers are definitely a lot smaller than they were at the beginning of 2020, the people that would willingly take it again. So that's why I'm curious if they try to do some COVID-23, some new thing. How many people are just going to say, "Okay, yeah, cool. Have fun. I'm going to keep living my life." Even people who totally bought into it.
Host: Yeah. I think I'm curious.
Brendan: I agree, man. I reckon, sorry, Joel, if you were going to jump in there. But yeah, I think that I've seen examples of people who I never would have expected to really wake up to what's going on. Even my mum woke up because of the scandemic. And we've seen people in some ways, there's a silver lining to the whole "you've got to get the jab. Oh, no, you need the booster. Oh, you need the second booster. Oh, you need the third booster."
The silver lining to that is that these people who are trying to jump through all the hoops and tick all the boxes, "Yes, sir. Yes, sir, three bags full," some of them have started to get really sick of it. They've got to the point where they're like, "You know what, I've got my shots. I don't care. Piss off and leave me alone." And I think that's a good thing. It's actually given people a level of fatigue and disinterest in the whole thing.
[52:13] Medical Indoctrination
Host: Yeah, especially when for two years you see people who did what they were told to do and yet still came down with symptoms, which is a whole other rabbit hole and conversation we can get into because I know where some of your views lie on that. But at some point they've got to be like, well, we did all the things and we still feel like shit and we're not able to stay home for five days, 10 days. I don't feel well. They have to start connecting the dots, that all these things I did didn't lead me to being healthy. At least I'd like to think so.
Brendan: It's amazing that people don't. Even the ones, you see the Twitter statuses that get circulated in the truth community. Someone takes a screenshot of some doctor who's like, "I had all the shots and then two weeks later I got COVID. So make sure you have all your shots." And it's like, hang on, are you listening to yourself right now? Are you fucking completely retarded? That's the whole thing when you talk about the level of indoctrination.
Host: Where someone goes through the allopathic system, in my opinion, medical school is a form of trauma-based mind control. You're put through all these studies and all this time and you put all this money into it and you can't question authority. You get no sleep and you've got to study for freaking 48 hours straight. It seems like trauma-based mind control to me. And then once you come out of it you're 200K in debt. Let's say even if you get a sniff of something being off, you're like, well, I don't know, I went through all this. I got the white coat. My parents' friends tap me on the back and tell me how special I am. And of course, I need to make the money so I can pay off my debt.
Or let's say you realise that, 10, 15 years down the road, you've got your family, you've got your kids, you're putting them through college. If you want to question what's really happening, you're going to have to be like, well, who am I? I can't start speaking out now because I'm not going to be able to afford my home anymore. I'm not going to be able to pay for everything. My kids still need to go to college. It takes a certain individual with psycho-emotional fortitude to be like, fuck it, you know what? I'm going to be a truth addict like Brendan Murphy because that's all I care about. And fuck everything else.
Brendan: It does. And like most people, they don't have it. They just don't seem to have it. It's really unfortunate because the people who suck it up, who don't want to go along with it but do, I think a majority, or maybe not a majority, but a significant number of people, that's what keeps the system rolling along and just bulldozing over us. It's those people that could, that have the opportunity to say no and take a stand, but don't. And that just makes it that much harder for the rest of us to pick up the slack and take a stand ourselves, because the support that should be there really isn't there.
That's why I respect people who do it, like Mike Donio, who is an ex-senior scientist in pharma. He lost his job because he wouldn't take the jab. And now he's had to face that. He had to process that. I'm not going to have income. I'm not going to have this job. I'll never work again in the biomed industry. That's done now because I'm on the blacklist, right? That's a rare human. And I respect the shit out of those people because there's not enough of them.
Host: I agree. We had Mike on the podcast a few months ago and I'm right there with you. To be able to face that and to go, I want to live with integrity. And if I'm not going to get the salary that I was getting, then I don't care. The truth is more important. And being able to look at myself in the mirror every day, because you hear the stories of people who have spoken out, and then they talk about all the other people that privately message them or send them emails and go, "Hey, I just want you to know I'm really happy that you're speaking out. Well, I wish I could, but I can't for X, Y, Z reasons," or whatever the case may be. And you're just like, you can, you're just choosing not to.
You think about all those paediatricians who choose not to jab their children, and yet they allow the assembly line of other people's children to come in and they just keep putting them through the schedule. Because that's happening too. There are those who have woken up, but they're like, shit, I'm making a million dollars a year. I'm getting those insurance cheques. I can't say no to that.
Brendan: Yeah, it's a difficult situation. And like you said, man, they go through that period of indoctrination, they get broken down and they end up in a situation where the debt's hanging over them, they've got to pay it off. And it is still a matter of choice, but it becomes a situation where you can kind of understand why some people don't say anything, because it's like, well, that's not a fun situation to be in. But I forget what I was going to say with that. But yeah, it's definitely a problem.
Host: The thing is, something happens along the way that makes them fail to realise. I think the brainwashing is the real issue because they have such power. If just doctors and nurses took a stand together as a unified front, they could completely change the way that the system operates overnight because they are the system. But they give their power to a handful of bureaucrats sitting at their desks, pushing paper around and creating rules and laws and whatever. And it's like, hang on a minute, it's people power in the end. That's what changes things. If we take a stand as a united front, it's game over. The power they have is enormous.
[57:22] Vaccines After 2020
Brendan: Yeah. One thing that I always come back to as some form of proof that things have shifted is that prior to 2020, vaccines were the most taboo subject on planet Earth. You could not even question that to any degree whatsoever. And for a lot of us who have been speaking out for a long time, we never thought that there would come a time where it became this much easier to have that conversation about vaccines with a larger amount of people. And that definitely seems to be the case now. Holes have been blown in the immaculate shield that vaccines wore for a very, very, very long time.
Host: Yeah, completely. And by their own hand as well, because the toxicity of them has killed and maimed so many people that everybody knows somebody who's either been seriously injured or killed from having a shot. The attitude, the way we look at vaccines will never be, even though they're fake vaccines, but still, it will never be quite the same again. It has definitely changed the terrain. So, yeah, again, silver lining to a pretty awful kind of an event, yeah.
[58:27] Looking Ahead
Host: Yeah. With everything that's happened, obviously you don't have a crystal ball, and where we are right now on September 28th, 2022, where do you see the next couple of years going? How do you think things are going to unfold, from a geopolitical standpoint, from a medical standpoint? What's your intuition, or what are the aliens telling you?
Joel: What's spirit telling you?
Yerasimos: I'm just tapping into my twin flame guide here.
Joel: Perfect, perfect.
Brendan: That's the million dollar question, because nobody really knows. We don't get to see the meetings behind closed doors of what these psychos are planning, but we do have documents. I did a presentation in 2020, which is one of my podcasts, where I incorporated some of the documentation that showed that these people intend to push the psyop all the way through to 2025. We're watching phase one, phase two, phase three of this very long-range plan. This is the great reset. So they're not going to stop anytime soon willingly. That's one thing that I'm pretty convinced of. It's just a matter of how much resistance they are going to encounter along the way. There seems to be an increasing amount of resistance. So that's a positive.
I'm not overly optimistic in terms of the short-term vision of the human experience, because what's possible is one thing, but what most people are willing to do to help themselves or improve things is usually a very different thing. For most people, the answer is the bare minimum or sweet fuck all. So I don't see the next 10, 20, 50 years being super bright, where we go through this great transformation and everything's hunky dory. I think we're going to be challenged. And the longer we take to really take radical responsibility and take a stand for what is true and good, the longer this kind of stuff is going to be dragged out, because they're not willingly stopping. They have a long-range plan. They plan for years and decades. And it's not finished. So I don't know, man. Short answer, I don't know.
Yerasimos: Well, let's be real. Agenda 21 pretty much happened in 2021. We know there's a 2030 in place, right?
Brendan: Exactly.
Yerasimos: That's not an arbitrary number. So we can expect, for the next seven years, eight years and beyond, they're going to keep trying to push it.
Brendan: They will. But we're seeing some pushback, which is good.
Yerasimos: Yeah.
[1:01:07] Advice for Inner and Outer Freedom
Joel: So what's your advice to the individual seeking to cultivate inner and outer freedom in the midst of all of this?
Brendan: Man, that's a good question. To me, the buck stops with the individual and you have to utilise your own inner locus, your own moral guidance system. Not necessarily what you think is right, because most people are basically inherently good, decent people. But we also need to access the thing in us that is our unique thread of authenticity. And it's that thing that lights you up. Because if people actually lived according to their highest values, a lot of the system that we don't like would actually dissolve, because it's people who feel like they're stuck in situations that they don't like and can't get out of that are keeping it really motoring along.
So the way to dissolve the collective issues and the individual issues is the same to me. It's starting with the individuality, finding your individual thread of uniqueness and what lights you up. Joseph Campbell told us, follow your bliss. And he wasn't speaking from a hedonistic place. He was recognising that in every individual there's a very unique spark or fractal of something that's special in them. And if they hear that and listen to it, then something amazing is possible for your life. You can go on the hero's journey and make it out the other side. You can return with the treasure and the gold, but you can't do it if you're a member of the crowd and the herd and not listening to that guidance system.
Yerasimos: Well, you're speaking our language, man. This is a big reason we do what we do, why we even created our own coaching program. It's called Rise Above the Hurt. It's all about allowing a person to just tap into that uniqueness and live their life and stand apart from the crowd. So everything you said, man, those words, music to my ears.
Brendan: Awesome. I think we're all on the same page here.
Yerasimos: Well, that's all right. It's like, okay, yep, yep, we agree. Okay, bye.
Brendan: Yeah, cool.
[1:03:20] Zero Tolerance for the Lie
Joel: Nah, it's so true, man. If people just chose to be authentic, they're able to starkly look at the inauthenticity which they've allowed to foster, and then they wouldn't be put in a position where they have to compromise the truth. It wouldn't be leveraged against them in the same way. But when you have that entire illusion to lose, then of course it becomes much easier to continue to maintain the lie. And as our good friend Michael Tsarion often says to me, have zero tolerance for the lie. If each individual could somehow cultivate that within themselves, zero tolerance for the lie, then obviously things would be starkly different.
Brendan: Oh, man, I love that. That's a great way of putting it, the zero tolerance thing. Man, I love that because people compromise. And that's one of the things that really pisses me off a lot, people who know that something is bullshit, but they speak and act as if it's not, as if it's real. We've seen heaps of that in the last three years. People who know that there is no virus, but who will still say, oh, I had COVID. Oh, it wasn't that bad. You didn't have COVID, because you can't catch a virus that only exists as a computer model. And stop pretending. Zero tolerance is what moves us forward. We've got to stop enabling this bullshit.
Joel: I can't tell you how many times, even for people that I think are on a similar page to us, but maybe not to the degree, especially around viruses and all that, where it's that phrase, I got COVID, I'm just like, no. No, you didn't. And this is why you didn't. Oh, well, you know what I mean. It's like they want to say it. It's like they've been looking for the moment to be like, oh, yeah, I got COVID. Just to say those words.
Brendan: Do I get a gold star?
Joel: Yeah, the programming's so deep on so many different levels. And there are so many levels to the lie. I'm not sitting here saying I have all the answers, but when you look around and when you realise there are people out there and there are books out there, and this knowledge has been out there in terms of challenging even the foundational tenets of virology for years and years and years, how long does it take for people to even be exposed to this?
You think about HIV AIDS, that was my entry point, mid-2000s. I had an acting teacher, and I've shared this before, who told me to read Dr. Kary Mullis's autobiography, Dancing Naked in the Minefield. And he was questioning just the foundational premise of this HIV. Now, he wasn't getting into the virus element of it, because back then, in the beginning, they were saying it was multifactorial, the symptoms were because of multiple reasons, not because of some virus. But even then, we're talking about 40-plus years since that. And it's still a small percentage of the population. We're like, what do you mean HIV causes AIDS and I have to wear condoms all the time or else I could get HIV and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, damn, you're living with that level of fear and delusion and programming because of all the movies, because of all the media, that has taught you to fear.
And yet there's a small percentage of people that even 40 years in, so then you go, man, COVID just happened. So how many years before there's critical mass where they're like, that shit that happened in 2020, that was a fucking scam?
Yerasimos: Yeah, yeah. It'll be trendy to say that in like 2100 or something.
Joel: Yeah, yeah. Right? We're the official.
Yerasimos: Yeah, that's right. I need to carve into my gravestone, I called COVID a scam before it was cool.
Joel: Yeah, yeah. That's hilarious.
Brendan: Oh, man. It's, none of this stuff, it's like zero tolerance for the lie means you have to also be constantly willing to go through a personal upheaval of, oh, shit, I thought that was true, but it's not now. I'm going to have to integrate that.
Joel: That's it, man. That's part of it. That's it.
[1:07:21] Free Agents and Following the Truth
Brendan: And I think this is one reason when you're more of a free agent, where you're not aligned with letters after your name, even in the alternative health community. You can have certain letters after your name in the alternative health world. But gutting down this whole virus thing, no, no, no. I can't do that. I still wear a white coat, even though it's a different kind of white coat. But I can't challenge that. And so when you don't, when your identity, your livelihood, things that you've been talking about online for the last 20 years aren't based on certain things, I'm just like, man, you tell me anything that makes more sense. Rationally, I'm done. I have no investment in the thing. I just care about the truth.
Joel: Yeah, yeah. There was a good quote from, I'm not a huge fanboy, but what's his name? Famous author. I've got a mental blank now. But he said, sorry, Deepak Chopra, make your allegiance to transformation. And so if you have that mindset, you can flow with the data. You can flow with the information. You can have a paradigm shift and you can have metanoia and not be insecure about it and clutching some stupid fucking childish dogma to try to keep you afloat or make you feel better about the fact that the world is full of uncertainty. And that's okay, to navigate that. But if you find that really difficult, then maybe there's some inner work to do there, some demons to face and work through.
Brendan: And yeah, if people had done their homework. Even naturopaths don't get trained properly anymore. Naturopaths coming out of school now have no fucking idea that viruses are a hoax. But the old-school naturopaths from 30, 40 years ago know because they were taught that shit. But the big pharma thing has hijacked even the alternative system now. And they're just churning out these drones who don't know any better.
[1:09:12] Self-Knowledge and Inner Work
Yerasimos: Yeah, and inner work's the key, man. It really is. I say this all the time. I just keep saying it. It's like self-knowledge is the foundation for all knowledge to some degree. You have to know yourself on the deepest levels. And when you are grounded, when you know yourself, you're less likely to be swayed. You're less likely to be swayed by the constant scam, the constant psyop that's thrown at you. You're just like, no, I know who I am. I know what I believe. I know what I represent as an individual. And that's great that everyone around me, their minds are being hijacked by the television or by social media, whatever. But I'm not going down that road.
Joel: And can you hold strong to that? When you actually like who you are, when you like who you are and you're comfortable in your own being, you're not grasping for stability to confirm that. It's like I have a relationship with myself. I'm in touch with my own essence. I'm very comfortable with that. So I don't need everyone to agree with me. I don't even need my partner to agree with me. It's like, I'm cool. Yeah, this is me.
Yerasimos: But this is where even that Ayn Rand quote comes into play about having a personal philosophy, to really have a personal philosophy and to live by it, or else you're just subject to all these random things that are just being around, they're getting absorbed into your unconscious and then you're just like, oh, this is what I believe. Oh, I posted a black square. I'm such a good person. Like I have a Ukraine flag tattoo on my left cheek and I took a picture of it and then I posted it. I'm such a good person.
Joel: You're so cynical today, bro.
Yerasimos: I know, I know. I'm a little hardcore today. I don't know why.
Joel: All right, let's take a deep breath in.
Yerasimos: And also, I know everyone that's listening too, I don't fucking know everything, but the things I do know, I've been proven right. And I love to talk shit too. I'm Jersey, I'm from New Jersey, I'm a Greek, sometimes I talk shit.
Joel: Let go of your identities, bro. And also, let's be real. We're having fun. I don't think people that post black squares and have tattoos of the Ukraine flag are listening to this podcast. So whatever.
Brendan: Although actually there are probably some people who posted a black square because it was really early on in 2020 and then people have kind of woken up to certain things. So for those of you that did, I forgive you.
Joel: Anyone who had a Ukraine flag just tuned out. They just did. They're like, fuck that podcast.
Yerasimos: Yeah.
[1:11:42] Identity, the Crowd and Religion
Brendan: And the thing, man, if you have that identity, you're not ready to then, because the crowd is the backup plan. If you don't have an identity, then you find it in the crowd. You identify with the crowd. You lose yourself in the blissful kind of ignorance and the crowd mentality and all that shit. And Jung wrote about that extensively. Gustave Le Bon wrote an entire book called The Crowd. And it's people who are not aware of self, who don't know who and what they actually are, that are the targets of this propaganda.
And really, I include religion, not to knock religious people, but it applies to religion. I've never met, for example, a Christian who is actually aware of who and what they fundamentally are, because they go off to this other womb to find an identity. Whereas I'm like, if you knew who and what you are, you don't need that. You don't need that belief system, because when you have knowledge, you recognise the difference between knowledge and belief and you can pick and choose beliefs and let them go, but you don't need them as an identity.
Joel: Yeah, and I think that's why a lot of people turn to these ideologies, whether it's Jesus or something else, when they're rock bottom. Because when you're at rock bottom, you probably have no fucking clue who you are if you're at rock bottom. And then here comes the shining light of, yes, I can hold on to this and then I have purpose and I know who I am because I've been told who I am and all I have to do is believe in this and everything will be great.
Brendan: Exactly. Like I've got the parent figure in the sky who's there to comfort me and provide me with succour. And now I'm like, okay, there's something to hold on to. I feel better. I feel reassured. There's a light at the end of the tunnel. And it's not to knock people, because like you said, man, at rock bottom, that's where a lot of people find Jesus. At rock bottom. So it's like, okay, you don't have the self-awareness yet. I get why you're drawn to this. And it's not for me to put people down and stuff. It's just recognising some of the dynamics that feed into it.
Joel: Yeah. And at the same time, I want to say there are a lot of lovely, amazing humans that are religious and they're good people and they have good families. It's not that I'm knocking that. We're just diving into the psychological underpinnings of what causes a person to absolve themselves from individual responsibility and just hand it to this external, paternal, maternal figure.
Yeah, but also each group will have their own unique, authentic path. That's just a stepping stone for many of these people. Sure, they've hit rock bottom and maybe they take one step up and they find Jesus, and they take two steps up and they find Eckhart Tolle. Then they take three steps up and they find a Michael Tessarian or something like that. But you're not just going to jump from rock bottom to all of a sudden knowing the internal depths of who you are on an extreme level.
So, yeah, man, this is the authentic path. We've all walked it. We've all gone down certain different rabbit holes and crevices, which obviously we realised weren't the truth, so to speak, for us. But it's the journey. It goes on.
Brendan: That's right. If you think of this as a dream that we inhabit, then you can look at everybody else in the dream as an actor that you have essentially created or dreamed into the dream. And Joel's creating me, I'm creating Joel. Erasmus is creating me, I'm creating him. And all these other people who maybe don't see things the way that I see the world, it's fine. They're just actors playing their role. I need people to play the fundamentalist Christian. I need people to play this other role and this role and the doctors and whatever. It's just a construct of the Divine Imagination. So we don't need to take it too personally in the end. It's like Bill Hicks said, it's just a ride.
Joel: What did you say that last part?
Brendan: Like Bill Hicks said, it's just a ride.
Joel: Yeah, yeah. It's a fun ride.
Brendan: Yeah, it should be. Why not?
Joel: Yeah. Well, this is where not taking yourself too seriously, that one side of the coin, plays into things. Yes, we get deep, we talk about all this stuff. And at the same time, what the fuck? Fuck it. Keep riding the waves. If we're wrong, okay, we're wrong. Cool. Just move on.
Brendan: Yeah, that's it. That's it. And I think so many people are afraid to be wrong. There's such deep fear, because what does that mean for themselves?
[1:15:54] Possibility After 2020
Joel: For you personally, do you feel like since things have shifted with 2020, there's far more possibility, far more potential available to you yourself to actually create in your external reality and provide real value and live up to more of your potential?
Brendan: I think that's a good question, because in a way I see people... There's a high number of people now who have snapped out of the trance, which means that there's more people who are ready to listen to me, which means I get to go and be more of me and have fun with that. So on a personal level, yeah, absolutely. I definitely think that a lot of good has come out of the last couple of years. It's shifted things. People are having thoughts they never had before, entertaining ideas they never had before. You've got people watching this podcast who two years ago would have condemned it to the depths of hell. So I think slowly in some regions we're moving in the right direction.
Joel: Yeah. Well, we got banned from YouTube last week, so they still condemned us to the depths of hell.
Brendan: I'm sorry to hear that.
Joel: Yeah, that sucks. You know what? Fuck it. Yeah, I actually, when I saw that email, to be honest, a smile came across my face first and foremost.
It's why Yerasimos is so cynical today. It's like, yeah, this ain't going on YouTube.
Yeah, exactly. Fuck it. We could use all the words. It doesn't matter. It works, bro.
Brendan: Thank you for balancing my extra cynicism, Joel.
[1:17:29] Truthiversity
Yerasimos: Tell us about Truthiversity. And what inspired you to create it? Obviously, it's everything you've learned over the 15,000 hours and everything you've done, it's led you to this, but we'd love to hear about it.
Brendan: Yeah, so it's basically going to be my premium content, multimedia container. It's my home for all the ideas and the stuff that I create that doesn't necessarily have a home in the social platforms or whatever. So it gives me a chance to be like, okay, these are the subjects I really want to go deep in and play with and have fun with. And whoever's interested in that stuff is going to find value in it, because I think it's interesting and people on that page are going to like it too. And this is just going to be me drip feeding content in there to keep it going.
As you can tell, I'm very interested in the psychology, the spiritual stuff, the religious stuff, the medical side of things. So I'm going to be piling heaps of stuff along those lines from me and also from other content providers as well. So it's not just me. It's not reliant on me completely. But this is my home. It's like a membership site. And that's where anyone who supports me by actually being a paying member gets access to everything that I do. If they're not members, I'll still put some stuff out into the public domain for free like I've always done. It just won't be 100% out there. It's going to have a special little home.
Yerasimos: Awesome.
Brendan: And we launch on Thursday, I think. Hang on. No, wait. Friday. Our Friday, CDT. So, yeah, we'll go live Friday.
Yerasimos: Looking forward to that. That's amazing, man. Congratulations.
Brendan: Yeah, thanks. We actually ran a crowd funder for this five and a half years ago in January 2017. So we have been sitting on this for ages. The idea has been there for years and we were waiting for the right time to launch it, finding that space to kick it off and build it, because it's huge. We initially conceived of it as an alternative kind of university. So it's a huge project. It's just me and Amy working on it. But it's going to gather momentum and just get better over time. We'll keep making the content better. The videos will be better. I'm going to have audio files, transcripts, articles, masterclasses, courses, all sorts of stuff in there. So, yeah, it's going to be a good fun ride.
Joel: That's really cool. And I think that's what's awesome, man, about technology, that people that have gone down this road, this path, are able to give their gifts in a certain way and be able to impact people from all over the world. I think it's pretty amazing.
Brendan: Yeah, for sure.
[1:20:08] Life in Mexico
Joel: So tell us about Mexico. Is this everything that you thought it would be in going there? What's the lifestyle like for other people who might be considering making the same shift eventually if they're given that opportunity?
Brendan: Yeah. Well, yeah, man. I haven't explored a lot of Mexico. I know the area that we're in reasonably well. So we're in Jalisco, near Lake Chapala, very, very beautiful part of Mexico, where people say it's arguably the best weather in the world. It's just like spring every day.
Joel: Wow.
Brendan: So for me, it's great because I don't like the heat and humidity and stuff. We came out of Byron Bay and summers there are pretty intense. Yeah, Mexico is very, very varied, geographically and in terms of landscapes and whatnot. So I want to explore a bit more. I think we'll get over to the west coast, Puerto Vallarta. And I think in February I'll be a speaker at Acapulco as well. So we'll get to go and visit Acapulco, which we haven't been to yet. But I love the Mexican people on average. They're just so friendly and accommodating and welcoming and they'll bend over backwards to help you. So, yeah, it's been an easy transition in that sense. And it's been a good life. We're very, very glad that we made the decision that we made to get out of there.
All I can say is I can't talk much about the other parts of Mexico, unfortunately, because we've never even been here before. It was just like, oh, we're packing up and moving. We went halfway around the world. So I don't know much of Mexico outside of this, but I've got friends who are travelling around and sampling areas and towns and cities for me. So, yeah, the list of places to check out, I mean, man, some of the, I've got a mate who's been chasing waterfalls all around Mexico.
Joel: Oh, wow.
Brendan: And some of the stuff, the footage I've seen from him is ridiculous. So there's some absolutely beautiful places to connect with nature. I know that much.
Joel: Yeah, Mexico's pretty cool, man. And what's the cost of living like compared to Australia?
Brendan: Where we are, let's just say there are a lot of gringos here and prices reflect that.
Joel: Gotcha.
Brendan: So you don't come here to where we are to save money. But even just five, six Ks away, there's a more authentic Mexican town where the cost of living is a little bit lower. So it really very much depends where you are. The more you get away from the gringo central areas, the cheaper it gets. Some areas are just dirt cheap. You can really save a lot of money. We're not, really, because of where we are. The location is a lot of gringos, Americans and Canadians and not many Aussies, but I think there's an increasing number coming around. But if you're looking to save money, you can, just don't come here.
Joel: Yeah, that's what I've heard, especially over the last few years, a lot of the Americans and Canadians that have gone down there. Because of that, they've been jacking up the prices and rental prices and everything. But yeah, I love the Mexican people. My wife and I got married north of Puerto Vallarta a few years ago there in Sayulita or outside of Sayulita. And we're heading back down in December to revisit it for a bit. So it'll be nice.
Brendan: Awesome, man. Let me know when you're down. I'd love to catch up.
Joel: Cool. Cool, man.
[1:23:33] Favourite Podcast Interviews
Joel: One question I wanted to ask you. You have a podcast.
Brendan: See, what's... What's... Okay. Okay, yes.
Joel: What's one of your favourite interviews? What's an interview that you're just like, oh, man, this person blows my mind, or the conversation we had was incredible? I'd love to hear some thoughts on that.
Brendan: There are two people that come to mind. I'll say two names. I have had a friend called by the name of Nick Sandbrook for the last, say, eight years, and he's very much interested in that whole conversation we were having around the collective unconscious, the way it operates. That interview is very worth listening to. I think it was episode 37.
Joel: Okay.
Brendan: That's a perspective that I really want to get to more people, because there's so much hypnosis into these different rabbit holes and these weird alien storylines that don't actually make sense and the evolving sort of playground in the Astral Fantasia. But Nick actually helps to make sense of it all and simplify things. So he's a very clever dude. That's worth watching.
And then I would also suggest the second last one I published, was Michael Tesarian talking about feminism and neo-feminism and the psyche of womankind. And that was great. People really enjoyed that. So, yeah, there's two people off the top of my head.
Joel: Cool. Yeah, I started listening to the one with Michael and this is incredible, man. I love his work and his research into all that, Dragon Mother, et cetera, et cetera. It's top notch.
Brendan: Yeah, he's great.
[1:25:13] Closing Questions and Final Words
Yerasimos: Cool. Well, we're all done. Everyone, thanks for joining. Thanks for tuning in. Joel, you got anything else? You want to ask your usual question?
Joel: Yeah, sure. Do you have any final words?
Yerasimos: No, no, no, no. I'm not ready for that yet. I'd like to get everyone's thoughts on this particular matter. What were your thoughts on Q? And the Trump phenomenon.
Brendan: Oh my God, are we going back to this? Oh, that won't take long. Yeah, no, I've always felt like that's a bit of a psyop. I never really got sucked into it. I feel like it was too hyped.
Yerasimos: What about Devolution? Have you looked into Devolution?
Brendan: Yeah, that rings a bell. Hang on, that does ring a bell. Hang on, just explain a bit.
Yerasimos: Yeah, so I don't know too much about it. There's a couple of Unslaved episodes on this as well, but basically it's almost like this is a purposeful unravelling that's taking place now. Everything's being forced to the surface and very easy and discernible for everyone to see because this is the only way that the masses would be able to recognise the thinness of the veil, so to speak.
Brendan: It's curious, that's for sure.
Yerasimos: Cool. Yeah. No, that makes sense.
Joel: All right. I've got no more questions. Brendan, man, thanks so much for your time. Thanks for everything that you're putting out there. And we'll definitely be checking out Truthiversity ourselves. That sounds incredibly interesting. And any final words for our audience?
Brendan: I get a final word. Stay in school and don't do drugs.
Joel: Awesome.
Brendan: And listen to what spirit tells you. Just ignore all that. Stay out of mainstream schools, but stay in maybe, I don't know, whatever. Just find that unique thread and pull on it in you. That's it, man. That really is it, search for that unique thread and everything else will work itself out.
Joel: It will.
Brendan: Trust in the dreaming. Trust in the creation. Your intelligence and consciousness is behind the whole thing.
Joel: Yeah. Awesome. Guys, go check out his podcast, Truthiverse. Check out Truthiversity if you want to get deeper. We appreciate your time. Thanks for listening and see you next time.
Brendan: Take care. Thanks for having me, guys.
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