The Derek Loudermilk Show
The Grand Illusion, Library of Alexandria, The Planning Center
Brendan discusses The Grand Illusion alongside wider conversations about lost knowledge, the nature of mind, and what history's most ambitious synthesis projects reveal about consciousness.
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[0:00] Introduction
Derek: Welcome to The Derek Loudermilk Show. This is episode 404 with Brendan D. Murphy.
Brendan Murphy is the creator of the Truthiversity Learning Portal and host of the Truthiverse podcast, and he's the author of the Grand Illusion Books. His articles have appeared in several popular publications, including Nexus, Mindscape, New Dawn, In Spirit, DNA Monthly, and Veritas Magazine.
In this episode, Brendan and I discuss the holographic universe, the raw material, how belief systems impact the afterlife, Holy Chocolate Experiments, the Monroe Institute, EFT Tapping and Other Healing Modalities, Non-Physical Education Centers, and How Aboriginals Can Still Teleport, and actually a lot more.
So without further ado, here is Brendan Murphy.
[1:09] A Double Doppelganger Story
Derek: Brendan Murphy, welcome to the podcast.
Brendan: Derek, thanks for having me, brother.
Derek: Yeah, good to meet you. And I thought we'd start for you and for the audience with an interesting Brendan Murphy story. So I grew up with a guy named Brendan Murphy. He's probably still one of my best friends. And I was at a spiritual festival. I'm trying to remember. Oh, the Pagan Picnic is at the park right next to our house. And there's all these tents and vendors set up and speakers and stuff.
And I was going and I talked to the guy selling crystals in one of the tents. I spent like half an hour talking to him about Topaz and some really fine specimens that he had. And I was like, gosh, this guy reminds me of my friend Brendan so much. And I just kept thinking that. And I was like, you really remind me of my best friend. And he's like, well, that's cool. I'm sure he's a great guy. And I was like, yeah, great, great chatting with you.
So I leave and he adds me on Facebook later and his name is Brendan Murphy. So the exact same name, because I thought they looked alike and they acted alike and then they had the same name. And I was like, whoa, that's so crazy.
But here's the even crazier thing. I left that tent and two minutes later I ran into a guy that I thought was my friend, someone that I see every week. I was like, hey, Paul, what's going on? He's like, hey, great to see you. So awesome to run into you. I didn't know you lived in this neighborhood. I was like, yeah, I do. Like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to the bookstore. I was like, cool, I'll walk with you. Because I'm going that way.
Anyway, we are catching up on our families and all this stuff. We get to the bookstore. And we take our sunglasses off and hats off to go indoors out of the sunshine. And I realise it's not my friend. It's someone with the same name who looks just like him.
Brendan: No. But it's not him.
Derek: And he's like, whoa, you're not the guy that I thought you were. But we had so much in common that we could have a friendly conversation.
Brendan: Wow.
Derek: And we thought we were friends. He was like, yeah, I just got my mom out of the hospital. I was like, oh, that's great to hear. And it was so crazy. And then we were like, well, nice to meet you, random stranger. But those two things happened within just a couple minutes of each other and it just blew my mind.
Brendan: That's nuts. That's absolutely nuts. Yeah, I've had some pretty wild stuff myself. So you actually have a friend called Brendan Murphy and then the guy at the event was called Brendan Murphy, and then you meet this other guy who you think you're old friends with and have this full-on conversation with him and you don't even know him.
Derek: Yeah. So it was like a double doppelganger scenario.
Brendan: Wow. Yeah, that's nuts. That is nuts.
Derek: Super crazy. So anyway, there's got to be some profile on Instagram that collects stories like that. Surely. I should ask you, the Brendan Murphys, these two doppelganger guys, were they anything like me? Did they look like me or anything like that or just totally different?
Brendan: They look like each other but less like you in a way. But they're white guys with beards, but they're both spiritual-ish. So.
Derek: I told my friend, I am interviewing the other Brendan Murphy today. And he's like, all right.
Brendan: Yeah, that's nuts.
[5:08] The Mandela Effect
Derek: So one thing that's totally blown my mind recently, and you've been doing this work maybe even longer than I have. I saw. You know the Mandela Effect? Are you familiar with?
Brendan: Mm-hmm.
Derek: Yeah, I saw people are taking old phones and old cameras and taking pictures or videos of things that have been changed by the Mandela Effect and it reverts to its original form. So you know Star Wars is one of the big ones where he says, it's supposed to be, the way I remember it is, Luke, I am your father. But if you actually watch the movie now, it says, no, I am your father. And I was like, what? Anyway, I get upset when the timelines change like that. But if you go and you video it with an old, like a 10-year-old camera, it will revert back to the original. Dialogue.
And you could do this with book covers too, where you have the book cover and then you hover the phone and then it changes the book cover and you move it away and the book cover reverts. Have you seen that?
Brendan: I haven't seen this version. No, that's new to me.
Derek: And that's just because I'm trying to figure out how that works. It has to be old tech somehow that gives a portal into another timeline. What's your thoughts on how does the Mandela Effect work?
Brendan: Yeah, wow. Well, in the whole simulation theory thing, they talk about how we have these branchings of timelines. And so we have parallel, many, the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics kind of gives us a way to play with the idea of the Mandela effect. So we have timelines, here's one and here's one and here's one and branching off.
And then there's this idea that whoever is running the simulation decides that, well, that timeline over here didn't work out, so we'll essentially prune that. We're going to cull that and revert the timeline back to its original state, change some of the variables because we didn't like that outcome. We'll change some of the variables and send it down this path and try that out and see how that works out. That's one way that people are trying to explain this kind of thing, multiple worlds, multiple timelines. So yeah, it's an interesting thing to play with, brother.
Derek: I remember, I think it was one of the Marvel, it was Loki, where they actually showed, there's a time variance authority where they decide which timelines to prune. And I was kind of wondering if they were trying to show how that was possible, a presumed timeline situation.
[8:03] Philip K. Dick and Parallel Timelines
Brendan: I know Philip K. Dick was big on this idea. He said he had memories. He was very serious about the fact that he seems to have memories of an alternate present version of his life. So not a past life, but he had memories that belonged to one of these parallel pruned now not existent timelines. And incidentally, it was a dystopia that this other wife existed in.
But yes, the reason I mentioned him was because I think that he was the guy who came up with the idea, kind of like that time variance bureau, like the adjustment bureau in that movie. That, I think, was based on his ideas around this other intelligence, like this programming intelligence that is, whoever or whatever it is is responsible for this manipulation of the simulation and changing it so that different outcomes come about, if they don't like the one outcome. His view was that it was essentially a benevolent kind of an intelligence, like trying to find the best possible outcome. So yeah, he had some very interesting experiences around that.
Derek: And so he was writing fiction based on his real lived experience?
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. He came up with a phenomenal amount of fiction from his memories of this other lifetime, other ideas that would come into his head. He was steeped in Gnosticism and obviously he was also taking a large amount of various prescription drugs and non-prescription drugs, and he seemed to kind of have his own weird little sort of slightly paranoid bubble reality and he kind of couldn't seem to quite figure out.
It was like he got so close to figuring out what was going on in terms of the bigger picture side of it, but he could never kind of get out of the different rabbit holes, like the Gnostic lens of interpretation, for example, and figure it out from a more modern perspective of where the weirdness is kind of coming from. And to be fair, very, very few people have ever kind of gotten that far. But yeah, because of his work, we have movies like Blade Runner and The Matrix and all this kind of stuff.
Derek: Yeah, I was wondering if you could name, I can't think of any of his books. That's what he was famous for, right? So was Blade Runner a book first?
Brendan: Actually, it had a complete different name. I think it was something along the lines of, oh man, I should just look it up. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, I think it was.
Derek: Okay, yeah, that sounds familiar.
Brendan: Yeah. So yeah, I think that's how that idea started out. And after he died, a lot of his ideas from books started being turned into films.
Derek: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[11:11] Brendan's Awakening Experience
Derek: How did you get into this world?
Brendan: I guess my awakening experience was 20 years ago. I read a book, which you probably know, called The Holographic Universe. And that, as I was reading it, it destroyed all my ideas of what was real and what's possible and what's the nature of reality and all this. So it completely just napalmed everything I thought I knew about reality and how it worked. But it opened me up with such a level of curiosity that I was never able to kind of switch it off or go back to a normal kind of a path in the world. And then I started to have experiences that were altered states of consciousness that showed me that those ideas were accurate. He was, basically he was correct.
And even as I was reading that book, there's a section in it where Michael Talbot, the author, is writing about Rosa Parks and the Montgomery bus boycott from decades ago. And in that section, it's actually about the subject of synchronicity. And I'm reading it in the background. There's radio going, I was at my parents' place at the time and there's a radio playing in the background, whatever channel they had it on. And I wasn't paying any attention to it, but as I'm reading the section about Rosa Parks and it's within the context of synchronicity, suddenly the guys on the radio behind me start talking about Rosa Parks. Hang on a minute. What? What just happened?
So it was like a massive, massive kind of synchronicity, like a confirmation event, because back then the idea of my internal reality is reflected in my external reality, and they're completely interconnected, that was still landing. So that was very powerful. When you have those experiences early in the journey, you've probably had that kind of stuff happen to yourself.
[13:05] Synchronicities and Animal Visitors
Derek: Yeah, synchronicities are so fun, because they're just like little winks from the universe. I'm trying to think of a good one. I've had a lot of animals come up to me recently and just weird animals. Before I went to Sedona a couple of weeks ago, I live in the city and a toad just walked right up to me. I was taking out the trash in the alley. So concrete alley, never seen a toad around here before. He just comes up to me and it's standing right in front of me. I'm like, what's going on?
But the toad is, when I looked it up, the toad medicine is like, get ready for a big change, right? Because they have that sort of tadpole, the toad, like metamorphosis, kind of like a butterfly thing going on. And I was like, oh, okay.
Brendan: You should be on the lookout for that.
Derek: Yeah, right, right.
Brendan: One of the interesting things about that kind of stuff is you never know what it is that's manifesting. It could just be the animal or it could be something or someone sort of steering the animal or it could even be a benevolent, discarnate entity, a spirit manifesting as an animal. It opens up so many questions of what's actually going on here. But yeah, those little winks, those little nudges, I think they're really, they're fun.
Derek: They're fun. Have you encountered anyone that can turn into an animal or project themselves into an animal?
Probably, but I've had friends like that over the years, but I guess I haven't really asked them a lot of questions about it.
Brendan: Okay.
[14:57] Mentors and Indigenous Australian Knowledge
Derek: And I guess what's underneath my question is, do you have any mentors in the metaphysical world that have just done something that's kind of impressed you?
Brendan: I wouldn't say I'm mentors, but I have lots of stories and reports and things that have been pretty wild. I know that for a fact that the original people of Australia still, the clever fellows, the initiates and the wise women, they still hold a lot of esoteric knowledge and skills. So Karno Walker, for example, was a clever fella who died a few years back, but he was witnessed teleporting. So that's one piece of knowledge that those guys still have.
Me and myself, I've been very much more embedded in the more theoretical and informational side of things, more so than the practical. I've kind of let the practical slide away a little bit. But yeah, I've got tons of those kinds of stories and information, stuff that changes people's lives when they're there and to witness it.
My mate Evan Strong works with his dad, Steve. They're a father-son team who work on bringing the original history to a larger audience and trying to verify it scientifically and historically as much as possible. They've been around a lot of stuff, and Steve's been initiated the old way, as he'd tell you. So they've seen and experienced lots of things. There is a bush track somewhere in Australia. I won't say where, but the guide will take you out in the middle of the night to this track in a very obscure location. You've got to go hacking your way through the bush in the dark and all this sort of thing. But when they get there, he has such a relationship with the land. I don't know exactly what he does, but he causes the path through the bush to actually light up somehow. And Evan said that was a completely life-changing experience for him. So yeah, there's all sorts of fun stuff happening out there.
Derek: Wow, that sounds so magical. Amazing. So this Evan, and you said his dad's name is Steve?
Brendan: Yeah, Steve and Evan Strong, they're interesting guys to chat to for sure.
Derek: And they're talking about ancient history?
Brendan: Yeah, specifically they emphasise the Australian originals and their knowledge and their history and their story, which they're trying to get out to a wider audience and verify as much as they can. They're kind of working from a point of view of, what if it's out of Australia, instead of out of Africa? What if it's out of Australia? And what's the evidence? Is there evidence to support that? And being the oldest living culture on Earth, and going back God knows how far. Yeah, they make an interesting case.
Derek: Could you share some more of your favourite parts of their work?
Brendan: Oh, putting me on the spot, brother. Honestly, I would have to go and probably pick up a book or something and refresh myself.
Derek: Yeah, no worries.
[18:32] Hidden History and Lost Knowledge
Derek: I'm just asking because I know that you have an interest in hidden history, and I think probably a lot of people are more open to or aware of the idea that these cataclysms could have erased some of our history, or that the history could have been intentionally manipulated for us to not understand the full picture.
Brendan: Yeah.
Derek: What's your current thinking around the 3D timeline of humanity?
Brendan: Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think most of what happens, there are power structures and vested interests who write their version of history, and they want the story told in a way that benefits them. The Gospels, for example, I think are an example of a political play, a power play, which then became kind of treated as, it's like Chinese whispers. Stuff gets changed down through time, or people forget what the original source material was or what the original point of it was. And then you end up with a very distorted view of things.
But yes, we've lost a lot. We've lost most of the sources of information that would have been phenomenal resources for us. When the library at Alexandria was burnt down, we lost one of the last and most important repositories of information that existed on the planet. So we've been put into a situation where we've got this forced amnesia.
And unfortunately, we have an academic realm where there's just this incredible hubris and rigidity and arrogance, and they have such a narrow idea about what happened and this neat little linear historical timeline. This happened, then this happened, and you've got your Darwinistic kind of view of human development, and that's nonsense. But in that state institution, they are very rigid, they're very blinkered, and they don't want to listen to anybody, generally speaking, who is not towing the party line.
So you'll hear Michael Karimo talk about this knowledge filtration that happens, where these people are too egoically invested in the mainstream theory they've been indoctrinated with. And they are encouraged to think about that stuff in a way that makes them very biased against any other perspective. So then you get this knowledge filtration, and they go, oh, well, we're not going to discuss that. We're not going to publish that in the journal because that doesn't support our story. So we have this entrenched ongoing problem of enforcing and reinforcing the amnesia, this forgetfulness that we've got around our real history, which I think, from a couple of comments you've made, you get that there's a huge amount of history that's been lost. We're barely just scratching the surface of recovering it now.
So yeah, you asked me about Steve and Evan as well. I think one of the interesting things they did was they've made the case that the genetics of the Australian Aboriginals are a unique line, a unique genetic line that is completely traceable only back to and through them and doesn't come from anywhere else, which, if the genetic testing stuff is reliable, which is maybe debatable, but if it is, then there's something really interesting happening there. And that's another piece of lost history. You're talking about tens of thousands of years going back so far in time. Now maybe there's something to support the idea that there is something unique about that genetic grouping, that heredity, and unmixed, didn't come from anywhere else except possibly other sources that may not be human. So that opens up a whole other realm of interesting questions.
Derek: Yeah, well, that actually corroborates. I think it was hypnosis, it was in Dolores Cannon's work, the QHHT stuff, but it was a new hypnotist using that same method. Someone was talking about these different civilisations on Earth that had been seeded by different star. And they were kind of hidden. So you had the out of Africa and most of humanity evolving on this path, but you could hide almost a different species of human and that culture in the mountains or on an island or in a cave somewhere. And they would evolve separately and maybe they would eventually be discovered by the larger humanity, but maybe they would just evolve and then get taken back off. Some of these stories were like they evolved for thousands of years, no contact with the rest of the humanity. And then they were taken off planet before humans actually sort of destroyed the thing. I think some of the ancient South American civilisations were like that, where it's like, where do these people go?
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. I've read some interesting stuff about the Maya around that kind of thinking. They had their own kind of, for want of a better word, ascensioner-type event, where they literally shifted frequencies to such an extent that they were no longer essentially physically present on this plane. I wasn't there, I don't know, but interesting to think about.
[24:40] Ascension and Awakening
Derek: Do you think we're in an ascension process right now?
Brendan: I think something like that. I don't tend to use that sort of terminology, but there's something interesting happening. People, more and more, are asking questions. People are starting to break out of the established constraints of the establishment paradigms, materialism, and then moving past the fundamentalist kind of belief systems now and starting to remember, on a deeper level, what we actually are. We are beings that do not fit into any of the establishment categories. So the fact that more and more people are starting to actually awaken to that tells me that there's something interesting happening.
Derek: Yeah.
[25:31] Remote Viewing and Possible Futures
Derek: Yeah, I'd be curious to see where things go. I go back and forth between something's going to happen really quick in the next three to seven years, everything's going to change, or maybe it's a more extended timescale in the multi-decades will slowly shift.
I interviewed Stephen Schwartz and he did this remote viewing the 2050 and 2060 project where he had 4,000 people remote view those two decades. And it was basically just go to that year in the same spot on the earth where you are now and have a look around. And there was all kinds of interesting things that people reported. Our power comes from these little warm boxes that are in your house and in your cars. And the government is different. It's more like a service that facilitates commerce. It's like they're just to help the people. What else did he say? Oh, a lot of climate migration and stuff like that had been resolved by the year 2050. So it's kind of cool. I place a lot of stock in when you have that many points of corroborating evidence from remote viewing, and it builds like a comprehensive picture. So I really like his work because it gives like large chunks of vision of what could be possible, of course.
Brendan: Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's something to look into for sure. I remember reading about, I think it was Brian Weiss, the hypnotherapist, and the guy who wrote Many Lives, Many Masters and a few other books. And I think he used to put large groups into a sort of a future life, like a progression. They'd look around sort of 200, 300 years from now, as well as more like a thousand years from now. And it was interesting to read about there. The dominant theme seemed to be that we were going to, in the near future, or the next couple hundred years, say, go through a pretty rough patch. And then, skipping further ahead, a few more centuries ahead, it was going to be a very, very different kind of a much more enjoyable, peaceful sort of existence.
But it's interesting because every time you do that, any time any group does that, the balance of probabilities has shifted. Even tomorrow, the probabilities will be different again. So hopefully the timeline that we're on, so to speak, is heading more in that direction that you just described with Stephen Schwartz's stuff, because that kind of technology exists and it's been suppressed for a long time. It's really overdue.
Derek: Yeah. Game changer.
[28:30] Free Energy Technology
Derek: Which technology do you think will make the biggest difference?
Brendan: The free energy type stuff, for sure.
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Brendan: That will change. That will change everything about civilisation very, very quickly. And it will take a lot of the, I think, general survival anxiety away, the need for energy, fuel, warmth, all that kind of stuff. That'll be solved.
And it will be free. It's not going to cost people energy. They're going to have to go and work X number of hours at their job to try to pay for the heating bill or whatever. That's taken care of. And all the technology we use is going to be powered by that. So that's just, I think that opens up a lot. Probably it opens up a lot more possibilities than I could even think of off the top of my head.
And then with that, I think in the same, I don't know, era of disclosure, if maybe we can say, we'll have the more medical technology come out as well, which is, again, lots of suppressed technology there has been. It's secreted away by the government. As soon as anybody interesting does something groundbreaking, the FBI comes and razes their office and steals all their stuff and never sees the light of day again. Happened with Tesla and it's happened with other people since then. But once that stuff starts to come out into the public arena. If you can basically eliminate disease and reverse disease, you take another massive burden off of people in general.
And especially if they're American, because being sick costs an absolute fortune. So you don't want to get sick in America. And taking that away from people would just be fantastic. You really don't have anything if you don't have your health. That's the foundation of quality of life. So I think those two things combined would just make life completely unrecognisable, really.
[30:30] Patents and Suppressed Inventions
Derek: Yeah. I learned that if you have one of these inventions, that you shouldn't patent it. If you have free energy or if you have a healing device that works, because then if you patent it, then they can confiscate it.
Brendan: Right.
Derek: Probably the better bet would be to distribute it freely, like on a blockchain or something so that the world has the tech and then to ensure that you can recoup, right, then set up a business that builds the thing.
Brendan: Right.
Derek: If you figure out free energy, then have a free energy car company and just sell people the cars.
Brendan: Right.
Derek: Because people are still going to want that. And I think what prevents a lot of these inventors is because they maybe want to repay their investors or they want to get rich. And these things really should be. It's for the service of humanity. So you will get rich, but don't try to do it in this way because you fall into their patent-stealing trap.
Brendan: Yeah, you don't want to get on their radar for that kind of stuff because you might disappear one day.
Derek: Yeah. That's not good. Not in a good way.
[31:45] Flying Cars and Hidden Technology
Brendan: But I think also I've read an article not long ago, very recent, something about the flying cars. I don't know if you've heard much about flying cars, but they made it sound like it was very much imminent, like this is going to be happening. Well within our lifetimes. And that'll be interesting too, because if they've got that kind of technology, then you change the ability for people to travel, that opens up a can of worms.
Derek: Yeah, I followed David Wilcock a little bit, and he has a flying car company that he started. I don't know if they're going to be using anti-gravitic type technology or if they're thinking more traditional thrust-based technology. I mean, obviously, the UFOs are flying around with some technology that makes him able to accelerate so quickly, right? Having that would be fantastic. That gravity control element, which would also be so cool.
I think it's inevitable. I just think it's a question of when. And how many roadblocks and how many government agencies are going to get in the way and what they kind of, their private industry and companies like Lockheed and all this sort of stuff. Because I think they have that kind of tech and have for a while. Ben Rich, the former executive, what was he, CEO or something of Lockheed Skunk Works, he said on his deathbed that we have the technology to go to the stars, we can take ET home.
So that is sitting somewhere in these warehouses, but it's also being used for the human-based UFOs, UFOs that are flying around certain places and being seen and probably mistaken for alien technology because it looks so alien to people's experience. Yeah, that's being used by certain military branches. So, yeah, I don't know. It's interesting to think of when that's finally going to be used for the public's benefit.
Brendan: Yeah, it would have to take almost... So Lockheed is a for-profit company. And so you would almost need to sort of realign the incentives of a company. You almost need to change the economic model for them to have the incentive to release it, right?
Derek: Yeah. Almost make it either not a profit-driven thing or more profitable for them to release it than to keep it, for example.
Brendan: Yeah. And a lot of it seems to be tied up, those companies because they interface so much with government. A lot of what they do is to do with defence. So it needs to get out of that little kind of, it needs to be de-pigeon-holed so that it's about more than just who's got the bigger guns and who can intimidate the other country more and whatever.
Derek: Yeah, I hear that some of these companies, the government, they have their secret projects, but there still needs to be some amount of maybe budgetary oversight. So they actually want to get these projects out of the government. So there's no oversight in them. And you can just do whatever they feel like.
Brendan: Really? Yeah, that sounds like a good idea.
[35:24] Afterlife Research
Derek: So you had mentioned before we started, one of the things you're working on is afterlife related research. And I didn't ask you any more about it at the time, but what does that mean exactly?
Brendan: Well, I've had this thing about, what happens when you die? This is a question that, for some reason, when I was 15, it was on my mind. I don't know why, because not a lot of 15-year-olds think about that, but it was there, like the seed was planted.
My research has a very metaphysical thrust to it, even though I spend a lot of time in different realms, scientific and historical and whatever, but I try to bring it all together and then create a picture of... some sort of cogency that is evidence-based. And I want to know, what does it look like when the physical body stops working once and for all and we are just decoupled from it and operating as consciousness.
So I've had that curiosity around that for a long time and that's... I guess that's why I'm writing this second book so heavily focused on what does that look like and what does the evidence tell us? What are the possibilities that open to us? Obviously, answering the question of, well, do we continue to exist when the body drops dead? That kind of thing. So, yeah.
Derek: Do you have one model that's your preferred mechanics of how that works?
Brendan: I don't necessarily, what I like to do is interconnect different sort of paradigms and models. So the question, I've been able to, I guess, answer more or less to my own satisfaction, or to the answer, the doubting sceptic part of me and try to silence him as much as possible. I've done a fairly good job of pulling enough material together from enough different places, like you were talking about corroborating evidence. So, he's the sceptic, my inner sceptic is kind of at the point where it's like, well, I got nothing left to say. This is pretty much game over, obviously we continue to exist.
You can't rely on one belief system or one paradigm or one individual because it's so vast. When we talk about the rest of existence, it's so vast that you have to pull from as many different sources as possible as long as they seem valid and make sense.
[38:10] What Happens After We Die
Derek: So can you just briefly explain what happens after we die from your perspective?
Brendan: I think it depends on the individual because we die in different ways. So if you die through like a chronic disease, you may be unconscious at the time when your body stops working, which means you're probably going to be essentially asleep in your astral body, spiritual body, whatever you want to call it. And then that means people who are on the other side of the veil may need to spend some time trying to figure out a way to wake you up in such a way that doesn't completely blow your circuits, so to speak.
And most people aren't prepared for the fact that they're going to continue to exist. So if you read Robert Monroe's books and Bruce Moen's books. Which I've touched on extensively in my second one. They explore these other realms where they talk about things like the different centres where volunteers work. And some of the work that they do in these places is take in people who have just died and then basically try to acclimate them to the fact that they still exist and try to do it in such a way that it's not too much of a shock to their system and try to do it in a way that supports their expectations of what that looks like.
So for some people, they die, they take on a, there's a religious Christian belief that tells people, well, when you die, you're going to sleep forever or something, or you'll sleep until Jesus returns or whatever. So people expect to be asleep. Which means they tend to be asleep on the other side, which means somebody then has to come and try and figure out how to wake them up. So there's all these centres of activity and places where these volunteer spirits work to help people. Sort of explain to them, hey, you've actually died, it's okay, obviously still exist. And then try to gradually introduce them to the next phase of their existence without overwhelming them.
Whereas if someone like maybe yourself, you're not going to be shocked to find that you still exist. You probably maybe, if you pass over consciously, then that's a different story. You've got options available. There's basically a lot of options at that point. We can go deeper into what people might call the astral planes or deeper into the mental planes. And we don't have to do that. We can choose to reincarnate as quickly as possible. And that doesn't even necessarily happen consciously.
I think there was a phase in our evolution where reincarnation happened mostly automatically and unconsciously and people just got swept back into another cycle. And that's something that the Ra material talks about, which I found interesting, many thousands of years ago, it seemed, according to at least that source, that that was how it worked until it didn't work like that anymore. And it became more a matter of conscious choice.
[41:24] Moen, Monroe and the Oversoul
Brendan: So, yeah, one of the thrusts of, I think, Moen's work and Robert Monroe's work was, not all about, but there was a significant part about the fact that we incarnate from something they refer to as a disk, which is kind of like the higher self. And that's this kind of group consciousness. And what Moen found in his second or third book was he had this revelation that he actually had originated from the same Oversoul or higher self that Robert Monroe emanated from and that they both actually came from the same being.
And so it's kind of like the game that we're playing is kind of partly to do with remembering that and... Moen also found through his, these astral journeys that the purpose, one of the primary purposes of his life in this lifetime, and he died a few years ago. He was primarily a recovery kind of a specialist. His job was to come into the Earth life system and try to find the other souls that had been projected from his Oversoul higher self entity. But become lost or stuck in the lower, mid or mid astral realms and forgotten who they are, because most people get sucked into a belief system, right, whether it's atheism, or whether it's Christian fundamentalism or whatever.
And then because of that, they end up in an afterlife existence that matches that belief system. And that's what Monroe called the belief system territories. So. What Moen found, he had this revelation that not only did he come from the same Oversoul as Robert Monroe, but Moen's purpose was largely to actually try to retrieve those other souls from his higher self that had become stuck in the Earth life system, stuck in the mid sort of astral realms or whatever in these belief system territories and try to help them move on past that stuff. Into a broader, a deeper awareness of what they actually are, who they are and what the whole nature of the game is all about.
Derek: It really surprises me that an Earth-based belief system could influence an afterlife experience. My presumption was that you would, like the veil, the veil of forgetting that you come here and you forget where you were before, would just drop and you would just remember all the things that you knew. But that sounds like that's maybe limited by belief systems that you pick up here.
Brendan: Yeah, and oh man, I just had so many tangents. I've got to send it myself.
So you can see in life, even just regular waking life, people's beliefs dictate their perception of reality. And if they don't believe something, for example someone who is a rigid psi sceptic, they very, very rarely have an experience of the so-called paranormal. So essentially their unconscious mind is filtering out all the information that doesn't support their consciously held belief system. And that dynamic just continues when the physical body stops working.
So you can sort of see the belief structure that someone trans, what's the word I'm looking for, trans, having a mental blank. When you shift, when you die, the beliefs that you have still shape your experience and your reality.
So it's really unhelpful, particularly to the people over there in the volunteer units in these recovery centres. It's unhelpful for us to carry beliefs that make us forget or keep us stuck in forgetting of the bigger picture of who we are and what we're doing here. Because then they have to try to figure out how to penetrate into our belief system to get into the dream that we're dreaming and then play along with it, but then introduce a spark of awareness or doubt so that we can be like, oh hey, hang on a minute, and then, oh, I'm dead? Oh, right. Okay. So what? Okay. Now here's what happens next.
You get people to snap out of the sort of fantasy worlds that they build for themselves, because that does happen, especially if they die unconsciously or not consciously. That can be an ongoing challenge. Not the time. Time doesn't matter there. But the challenge for the helpers is to try to figure out a way to help people snap out of that and move on to where they're supposed to be.
Derek: You're actually reminding me of a story a medium told me one time where they were talking to someone's deceased father, maybe, and the medium was like, do you want me to relay this message to your daughter? And he's like, no, I don't believe in mediums. She was like, well, you're dead and I'm talking to you, right? And he was like, yeah, but I don't believe in it. So I'm not going to participate in this.
Brendan: Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's nuts. Now that's some obstinate scepticism. Yeah, that's it. That's it. This is the problem with belief systems. So that creates an ongoing sort of challenge for us. And the objective seems to be to round up as many of the souls from our group or family, Oversoul, Higher Self, whatever you want to call it, and help them to remember where they come from.
And then beyond that, there's other orders of reality and other bigger pictures and still bigger pictures, so the adventure never really ends, but we're at the very bottom rung of the ladder for the most part, not really aware of what's out there and what's possible.
[47:29] Twin Flames and Soulmates
Derek: I recently encountered the concept of, or I've heard more and more people talking about twin flames. And my understanding is that's two people incarnated here on Earth that are part of the same sort of initial... I don't know if it would be like they're both from the same oversoul or like two different oversouls that started from the same sort of initial spark. What's your understanding of how twin flames work versus, let's say, soulmates?
Brendan: Yeah, I think along those lines, there seems to be in the new age community a bit of an unhealthy kind of attachment to that idea. I think sometimes people are really attached to finding their twin flame and then often, I've seen it, you've probably seen it, people get involved in a relationship that's a complete train wreck. And they're like, yeah, this is my twin flame. And we're triggering each other. And it's like, well. I don't know how sustainable that is. And sure enough, eventually the whole thing kind of implodes.
But it's not helpful, I don't think, to put that spin on a relationship, especially when the dynamic is really not healthy. And to be like, oh, but it's my twin flame, and hold on to something that's really not serving you. But then I think there may be instances where someone does come into your life to trigger certain types of growth, often by making us uncomfortable in certain ways or creating a certain kind of pain or challenge that forces growth. So it's not necessarily that I dismiss the concept out of hand. I think it needs to be looked at with a fairly level head.
Derek: I've heard that the people that challenge us the most, or that we end up having the most difficult experiences with in this lifetime, are actually sort of on the other side the people that love us the most. And no one's going to sign up to put us through pain unless they actually really cared. So we have these agreements, like here's how we're going to interact in this lifetime. And I'm really the only one that's willing to betray you because you want that experience. And because you're asking for it and I love you, I'm going to give that to you.
Brendan: Yeah, and the flip side of that is also, because of that forgetting, the veiling of our memories and forgetting where we've come from, we forget our true identity and the nature of the game that we're in, reality. There's also a lot of pain that just gets inflicted as a result of that forgetting. So this is where the wheel of samsara, the wheel of karma, comes in. We're here doing stuff in our blind ignorance. And then when we finally see it from the other side perspective, that bigger perspective, and see the way that we've affected other people, then it's like, ah, okay, the soul at that level is like, okay, well, I feel like I need to make amends for this. And maybe I need to have an experience in earth life again that helps me to understand the other perspective here that I didn't understand. And so I do this so I can grow essentially. So, yeah, it's interesting.
[51:07] Babies and Forgetting
Derek: Do you think that, so I have a new baby. He's three months, almost three months.
Brendan: Wow, congratulations.
Derek: Oh, thank you. My presupposition is that he's in the process of forgetting. He's in the process of becoming indoctrinated or trained: what is the 3D world? How does my body work and how is it different than before I had a body? And there's this transition period where he learns the rules of the, you know, of Earth. Do you think it's the same way? Like, people are kind of like babies after they die, where they have to kind of learn the rules of the non-physical again?
Brendan: Yeah, it seems that way. It does sort of look a lot like that at times, which is odd because most of our existence is not physical. So you'd think that we'd remember it. But it's funny.
Even just reading the Bruce Moen book that I'm working through at the moment, he describes his adventures going back to these centres, education centres or rehab centres in the non-physical realms. And there are people there who essentially work in these places and act as guides, or what's the other word? Anyway, so he goes and talks to them and has conversations. One of these guys is looking at him weirdly, like, why? Don't you remember me? Why don't you? And after a while he goes, look, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be vague or an idiot, but I feel like something's not right here. And the guy's going, what? You mean you don't remember being here? And he's like, no, I don't remember being here.
But the guy's just flabbergasted, this dude who works in this centre in the non-physical realm. He's like, but you come here all the time and you mean to tell me that you don't remember, you don't know who I am, you don't know what this place is, you don't know what you normally do. Bruce Moen's conscious recollection of his activities there was basically non-existent. Probably because most of the time he's in these other realms, it's during his sleep, right? So he's not coming back with a conscious memory of it, but it's submerged in the unconscious.
But yeah, that's kind of like to your point, even someone who has the skill, who does that on a semi-regular basis, they still have this forgetting, even going back into the other side, where they have to kind of learn from scratch all over again. And it's like coming out of the earth identity is the challenge. We tend to think of ourselves as just physical beings, blah, blah, blah. And then we find out on the other side that actually we're something radically different and reality doesn't work at all how we've been taught and told that it does.
And then there's a process of having to gradually introduce people to how things work in a way that doesn't overwhelm them. And that's what a lot of the reception centre, you'll hear Monroe writes about the reception centre and Bruce Moen does too. And that's what the job of a lot of it is. And particularly, they even have people who are former medical professionals from Earth who have died. And then they operate in these systems to help other medical professionals get their head around the fact that they're dead now because it's such a mind-blowing thing. And they really need to kind of tread carefully, you know?
[54:48] How Bruce Moen Accessed These Realms
Derek: Bruce Moen, was this dream experiences, like nightly dream time, or was he remote viewing, or how was he accessing these locations?
Brendan: He started using the Monroe Institute's audio CDs. And so they've got guided meditations and they tell you what to do. But after a while he sort of stopped relying on them. So I guess it's kind of like, you'll hear people like Jurgen Ziewe talk about how they started by doing out-of-body experiences, but then they realise they don't really need to do the out-of-body thing. It's just a shift in your state of consciousness. And it becomes a little bit more like remote viewing in the sense that your perception shifts, but you're not necessarily separating your awareness from your physical location as such. But it does entail a bilocation of consciousness anyway, in a sense. So, yeah, I don't know if that answered your question.
Derek: Okay, so if someone listening wanted to go, they could go to the Monroe Institute and start with like a guided meditation.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah, they could absolutely do that.
[56:06] Brendan's Own Practice
Derek: Do you do your own travelling in that way to corroborate the stuff that you're researching in the books and things?
Brendan: I haven't emphasised it. I've had experiences, but it's just one of those things where, I don't know, my life has gone in a direction where I just haven't felt the pull to really do that. My days are very full and by the time my evenings roll up or the morning kicks off, mornings don't work, evenings, I'm just like, I'm done, I'm tired, I've done so much work. I think I will get into it.
When I was in my early 20s, I was very, very hardcore into meditating. I went to a trance mediumship group every week. And I was opening up my clairvoyance. And that was the effect that I wanted all that work to have. But then I stopped. And it's like they say, you use it or lose it. And it kind of just goes backwards. But I'm feeling the pull a little bit more to go into that. I don't know how to make it work in my day-to-day life. It's very, very intense.
But for me, I guess, also, it hasn't felt important. It's not a priority because I've got so much information to collate and pull together from so many different sources. That in itself is just such a huge job. And the picture that it presents is very robust because it is so many different sources and so much corroborating evidence. So, yeah, I feel like one day I'm going to have to. I want to. I have that calling vaguely. It's like that little voice on your shoulder going, oh, come on, Brendan. It's getting a little bit louder. So sooner or later, I think I'll have to listen.
Derek: Yeah, interesting. I think you and I may have a similar approach, which is also changing for me. I've been a collector of information, like synthesised disparate fields, let's mash them together, which is great. That's the world I think we've gone so far into. Specialists that we need more generalists to bring things back together.
So I wrote a book, which was more on the business side of things, where it was hundreds of books, hundreds of interviews, just like yours, so much research. People find it really useful because it's like a scientific review paper, right? It gives all the pertinent information that you need.
But when I look back on it, so this is probably going to discourage anybody who's thought about buying my book, I think, ah, I wish that I was more original. I wish that I had put my own, and there's my stories and things like that and my experiences in there. But I wish I had some more new. If I had newly discovered or created material, I think I probably would feel better about that at this point.
Brendan: Yeah, I get that. I get that. And I kind of feel the same in a sense. My first book is very heavy on citations. So it sounds like we've been working in a similar sort of style, like 17, I've got over 1700 endnotes in that book. And book two picks up where that leaves off.
So similar kind of approach, but at the same time, weaving in my insights, and when you connect dots that maybe no one else has connected, then you do create something original and that has an impact on people, and just the sheer force of nearly 700 pages of all these different cross-correlating, cross-reference pieces of information. It's like that changes people's lives because it shows them something that they've never seen before.
But yeah, I want to move in a little more of a right-brain kind of creative direction. And I think that's showing up in book two a little bit, which is nice. And book three is probably going to be much more like that, which is cool. You kind of got to take the leash off yourself at some point, I think.
Derek: So book two is in process right now?
Brendan: Yeah. I hope to have it done by the end of the year-ish and then get it out there early next year, hopefully.
[1:00:42] Writing Processes
Derek: Just like author to author advice. I've dabbled in trying to dictate, like go on walks and dictate my book, sort of audio transcription, AI type stuff. And that's great, but then you have to fit in a lot of walks. What's your writing process looking like?
Brendan: I sit down at the computer and I've got my source materials, and I've got a Kindle now, like I couldn't bring my library to Mexico, unfortunately. But so, I'm still reading a lot. And then I will take that, sit down here and I'll work through my manuscript and be like, okay, so this bit here in the Kindle, this book connects in with this section here and I can put this bit here. And that's kind of what my process at the moment looks like. And then trying to maybe cull the stuff that maybe belongs in book three, not book two.
And yeah, so it's because it's such a, it's such a, like a, it's the nature of the research and the kind of thinking that goes into it. I'd love to be able to go for a walk and just dictate, just record my voice. But maybe I could probably get away with that at the very end when I'm done dealing with all my source materials. Then you can have that more free-flowing, thought association kind of approach where you just verbalise things and you can have insights.
I think the best insights I have away from the manuscript, away from the computer, it's like when you just have a moment to actually give yourself space to think, and things land and things click and it's like, oh, wow, cool. That's important, that time and space to be away from it, I think. So maybe, it sounds like your approach is a nice change of pace. Maybe I can do that one day.
Derek: I often get the same thing. You're talking about that. And it's either like I'm about to fall asleep at night and I'm like, oh my gosh. And then I have to scribble it down. The concept that it's just like those connections, like the two things that slowly came together and now they're. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the last aha moment that I had.
[1:03:04] Elegant Experiments and Dean Radin's Pre-Sentiment Work
Derek: One thing I wanted to ask you about, since you do have so many citations, one thing that I really love and admire is elegant experiments, beautifully designed scientific experiments that give a fantastic result. I was wondering if you had any of those that you could share.
Brendan: What, from like book one?
Derek: Yeah, or something that you've thought about recently.
Brendan: Man, I've had so many ideas over the years. I need a lab. I need different types of gear. It'll probably cost at least $100,000 to set it up. But yeah, one day that'll happen.
So book one is something that has a lot of those types of experiments in it, because it was very much like as I went along through the metaphysical, paranormal, consciousness stuff, I always tied it back to what the scientific research on the cutting edge is actually saying, because so often they married up. So there's heaps, there's heaps, to pick one of them.
Dean Radin did some really, really great work with what he called pre-sentiment. So the idea he wanted to test the idea that people could sort of subconsciously detect the future. And so he rigged people up with electrodes on their fingers and he would sit them in front of a screen. And basically they would be randomly flashed, well, random as far as the participant in the chair was concerned, they'd be shown either a neutral image like something boring, like maybe a blank white screen or something just really uninteresting, or they'd be shown a more exciting or emotionally conducive. Maybe something arousing, something erotic, something to try to stimulate that kind of visceral feeling response in the body.
And so he would measure on the chart, he would be able to see when the electrical response happened in the body versus when they actually saw the image on the screen. So what he found was, and this was replicated over and over, and other people have replicated it as well, what he found was that people would have a strong physiological reaction just like fractions of a second before the emotionally charged image showed up. So when there was a boring image on the screen, nothing would happen. But when there was something more exciting, they would have a physiological response.
So he proved, essentially, he single-handedly proved that people subconsciously do, on a visceral physiological level, detect the future that's about to happen, like in very close proximity future, you know? So that was very elegant. And no one's managed to debunk that or anything other than replicating it.
[1:06:02] Perceiving the Future in Relationships
Derek: I remember that one. That's a really lovely experiment. And I have had something similar occurring recently, and my wife has experienced this, and I think other people are too. When I meet someone new, I can feel what our relationship will be, like I'm perceiving from the future what it is. So like if I meet someone that's going to become a really good friend, it's like instantly we're good friends. And it feels like we've had a long-term friendship because I'm like drawing into the future how it's going to be.
Yeah, so there's been people where I just like walk up to them and I'm like, hey, like, hey, and this is the first time we're meeting, but we're like, we know each other, we're friends. And it's like, and it's so instant. And I think that's the same effect of perceiving along the timeline.
Brendan: Totally. Totally. Yeah, I totally get that. And I think that kind of thing is probably really, really common. And we don't talk about it enough to realise how widespread that sort of thing is. Like knowing who's on the other end of the phone when the phone rings before you see the name pop up, all this kind of stuff happens so frequently.
My partner, Aimee, and I have had so many instances where we have said, in situations where you would never be able to orchestrate it on purpose, but we have said the exact same thing at the exact same moment and then followed it up with another exact same thing and then another. And we're just sitting there looking at each other going, get out of my head. And when you're really embedded with somebody like that, like when your energy fields are really, really synced up like that, you've probably had a lot of that stuff yourself. Like you do have these things where it's like you're sharing the same mind and you know what's about to happen.
Like Aimee, every day, at least once a day, multiple times, usually I'll have a thought that I don't verbalise. And then I'll be like, oh, hey, blah, blah, blah. And she'll go, oh, my God, I was just thinking about that. And it'll be like two seconds before I said it. She had the thought enter her head, but it was after I thought about it first. So there's this ongoing kind of interplay that's very subtle, but we've had so many instances of these types of synchronicities that it's just normal.
Derek: And then it gets into, like, we have confusion in our house, like, whose thought was it first? Like, my wife will be having, like, a song in her head, and I'll go and I'll put it on the stereo, without, you know, talking to her about it. She's like, that was in my head. And then our kid will be like, we learned that song in school today. I'm like, whose was it first? You know.
[1:08:51] Jung's Scarab Beetle Story
Brendan: Yeah, I love it. I love it. That's great. This kind of stuff is what shows us, it helps us remember what's going on and what we, who we are, really. It's like the Jung scarab beetle story. You probably know that one, right?
Derek: Yeah.
Brendan: This is one of the all-time great synchronicity stories. I had to cover it in book one because it's so archetypal. So this woman that he had in therapy was, I think she might have been a psychologist, somebody, she was a very left-brain rational type of person. And because she was so rigid in that approach to life, he found that over time they weren't really making any progress, she wasn't really getting anywhere.
And then one day she came in and she was like, I had this really weird dream about this scarab beetle. And she described it and gave some more detail. And then as she was telling him this story about the scarab beetle, there's a knock on the window of the office and they both look over and there's a scarab beetle trying to get in. And that blew her mind so savagely that it actually finally broke down her internal defences and allowed them to actually make some headway in the sessions they were having. So that's one of the more famous sort of synchronicity stories.
[1:10:05] The Holy Chocolate Experiment
Derek: Oh, nice.
Brendan: Yeah.
Derek: I wanted to mention another one of Dean Radin's experiments, because you reference him. So I was reminded of his holy chocolate experiment. Do you know that one?
Brendan: I'm not sure if I know this one.
Derek: Okay, so he sent experimental chocolate to these monks to have them bless it.
Brendan: Okay, yeah.
Derek: And then he had normal chocolate that was not blessed, and he would blindly send blessed chocolate or not blessed chocolate to different groups of people in the mail, and they were required to eat the chocolate each day for a week or something like that. And then they had like all these health tests done throughout the week, and the people that were eating the holy chocolate, because they were blind to it, they didn't know if they were. So it wasn't. It was well designed because it couldn't be the placebo effect. They had lower blood pressure. They had better blood work. They had whatever they were measuring. So it basically proved that the monks were effective in making the holy chocolate and the holy chocolate actually had a physical health effect benefit.
Brendan: Yeah. I remember this now that you've described it.
Derek: Yeah.
Brendan: It's awesome.
[1:11:31] Intention, Belief and Reality
Brendan: And it's like, there's so much stuff like that. [section omitted] Without any contact, the person doesn't know if they're being prayed for, blinded. And all the metrics that they took at the end of the study or as the study went on, all of the metrics of the patients improved. And it didn't matter what the healer's concept of God or the nature of reality was. It didn't have anything to do with it. All it was was just the sheer intention of the healing by the healers, that was all that mattered and all the metrics of the patients improved.
So you can't look at all this stuff and honestly say that we're not participating in the unfolding of the reality around us and influencing it constantly because we are. And this is why it's so important that we choose beliefs in a conscious, informed way because, like that story about the chocolate and all the afterlife research that I've been doing, it tells us we are either going to support ourselves with beliefs or we're probably going to subtly undermine ourselves and limit ourselves with our beliefs.
So we've got to constantly check in, like, is this supporting? Is this serving me? If you have scepticism around being able to, say, consciously shift your awareness into the afterlife realms and interact with spirits there, if you have blocks around that, like scepticism, or maybe it's just that you think you personally can't do it, even though you believe in it, that will stop you. That will block your perception. Whatever the belief is, it acts as a program altering reality so that reality conforms to your expectations. So we are in many respects the masters of the reality that we experience.
Derek: Have you ever had a belief that you held illuminated for you, that you didn't know you had? It was a hidden belief, and then you realise, oh, now I see the belief, I can let it go or I can change it, or something like that.
Brendan: I've done heaps of belief work. I'm just trying to think of a specific example. I think I can give you a specific one. Actually, I can give you one of Aimee's. I don't think she'll mind. I can't think of an interesting one for me.
I've done lots of belief work. When you get into the entrepreneurial space and you start dealing with your money issues and all this kind of stuff, you start realising, oh, I've got these very, very limiting beliefs around attitudes towards reality and my ability to experience. I've worked through all that stuff as much as possible because I realised I had so many programs running that were just limiting, just self-defeating, completely useless and keeping me playing small, right? So there's all that sort of stuff, a lot of stuff around money and maybe belief systems regarding perception and what have you.
But Aimee. A few years ago, we were doing an exercise which involved post-it notes. You basically write down something that you want to have or experience in your life and then observe what resistance comes up. Maybe you hear a voice go, I'm not good enough for that, or I'm not worthy of that, or whatever the reaction is. Then you write that down and you work through it. We were doing a lot of EFT, right? So, tapping our way through this kind of stuff and reprogramming.
But she had the belief that we found by doing this exercise, when we drilled down to it, and we had to talk through it a little bit to try to get to what was underneath it all. She had at some point adopted a belief that she didn't need to have any more than what kept her physically alive. That was enough. The bare physical survival, if that need was met, and if she was alive and not dead, then that was enough. Don't give me any more. Don't bring me any more. I don't want any more. Nothing left over, nothing to play with. Just keep me from being dead. This was the mentality that subconsciously was running and informing her reality a few years back.
That was really interesting because when she realised it, and the way I would word it is slightly different, she actually burst out laughing at how ludicrous it was. She had held this attitude of, as long as I'm not physically dead, basically everything's okay. My needs are being met, kind of thing. It was sort of like that. And it was ludicrous. So we were glad to identify that.
Derek: Wow. Yeah. And then you used tapping, which I interviewed Dawson Church about here on my show a few years back. We talked a lot about tapping. You would come up with a replacement belief and tap that into the system. Is that how you...?
Brendan: Yeah, I think basically my approach is similar. Once you work through the charge of the original, whatever you've identified, once you work through the charge and it's neutralised, then you're at the point where you can maybe start programming in the thing that you actually want.
Derek: Yeah. Yeah, man. And those things are so simple, tapping or, for a while I was doing a lot of just self-hypnosis. I would put myself into a hypnotic state and then play the movie of what I wanted to be experiencing and just try to drop in the new identity on that level.
Brendan: Yeah. Which works pretty well.
[1:17:31] The Monroe Institute Planning Centre
Derek: Yeah. It's funny, that kind of thing.
Brendan: You mentioned manifesting what we want. Bruce Moen's adventures get right into that. They have this planning centre that the Monroe Institute people are aware of. This is where these people in the spirit or non-physical realm work to try to accommodate everybody's desires. Reading through those interactions with him and the tour guides or the workers there, it was very interesting because they're having to negotiate your timeline and my timeline and this other person's timeline. Anybody who has any relationship or connection to us, they've got to make it all come together so that we all somehow manage to get what we want.
But people keep changing their minds and we're indecisive. We're not clear. And so it's like the Adjustment Bureau running around frantically trying to orchestrate things. But it's very interesting. So it's very important to be clear on what it is that we're trying to actually manifest and hold that in detail, get really clear on it. Not just vague, like, oh, I'd like to have a really big house, but what does the house look like? Where is it located? Get into really granular detail, and then those intelligences, or whatever you want to think of them as, have something more concrete and definite to work with.
Derek: Gosh, yeah. People changing their minds. Imagine if manifesting worked a little quicker, right? You manifested something and you're like, actually, I changed my mind. And then physical reality would be like, red car, green car, blue car, no car. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Go ahead.
Brendan: Well, it's probably really helpful that we have this slowing down mechanism so we don't manifest too fast.
Derek: Yeah, or things that we just really don't want. I think the time delay is useful. You know? Yeah.
Brendan: Yeah. That reminds me of a story. This guy realised he could manifest really quick. He would get into maybe a delta state, a really deep meditative state, and then things would manifest really quickly. And then one day he was out on a boat and in this state. Someone ran into him or something made him angry, and then his motor exploded. His anger went straight into the motor and it just blew up. You know how powerfully you can accidentally use that manifesting ability.
Derek: Totally, yeah. So this is actually, it's so fascinating to me, thinking about these beings, spirits, people on the other side trying to orchestrate to help you get what you want. And so I'm imagining some of this stuff is contracts from before incarnation, like you're going to meet such and such person and have a family with them. I kind of operate like a lot of the big events are contracted to happen, but then there's the preferences that you discover that you have in this lifetime. I would prefer to live here or there. I would prefer to have this type of career or that. Those are the things that are not contractually obligated, but maybe that's where these people on the other side are listening to try to see what your preference is and then they go to work. Is that how you see it?
Brendan: Yeah, I think that's pretty valid. The contract thing and the big picture, big event stuff, there are multiple different sources that describe that situation and that we pre-select those major important hookups or events or what have you. So pre-destination is real. It's just that we are the ones pre-destining ourselves. And then you have the other stuff, the day-to-day, nitty-gritty desires and thoughts and more changeable stuff, preferences, like you said.
As far as the Monroe Institute people are concerned, there is an actual planning centre which is manned by people who are essentially employees there in the non-physical realm who have an enormous capacity for information processing and conscious awareness of the thought patterns of living humans. They're trying to negotiate this in such a way that they can make the connections between people so as to manifest the things that are desired.
Obviously, it's hard for us to even imagine what that must be like, living in that kind of awareness, maybe thousands or tens of thousands or millions of people having their thoughts in your awareness and then having to process and interconnect people in ways that in physical reality, certain events take place or certain events don't take place.
Just as I'm saying this, I remember one of Moen's experiences had to do with this planning centre. The guy was explaining to him, well, you remember how you were driving somewhere in a hurry and you were trying to get to this place because you were running late and you were really annoyed and frantic and you're speeding along and you kept getting all these red lights and stuff happening to slow you down. And he was like, well, that was us. Trying to prevent what you couldn't see happening further ahead, which was you having an accident. But you're so fixated on, I'm late, I've got to get there on time. But we are seeing the bigger picture and all the different connections. And we saw that further down the road, there was an intersection where you were going to hit another car. And we're trying to lay down all these new tracks in the timeline, alter the timeline so that this doesn't happen. And all you can do is focus on how late you are. So, yeah, quite amusing. The level of perspective we have versus what is available on the other side of the veil, yeah, very different.
[1:23:54] Signs and Who Staffs the Planning Centre
Derek: Two questions come up when you share that. One, I think if someone is still enough internally, they could probably perceive that those red lights and the things that are getting thrown up in their way are signs to pay attention to. I've had that experience where I'm like, oh, maybe I should just chill out about this thing because it's not working over and over again. Maybe that's a reason. So I think some people can start to have their spidey sense tingle when that sort of thing happens. But if you're dedicated to just ploughing through and getting there because whatever, then you might miss it.
Brendan: Yeah, yeah. There's a relationship between the big things that we're supposed to experience and then also the little day-to-day stuff that we need to navigate and, those poor guys at the planning centre having to adjust to our every whim, keep us alive.
Derek: What sort of beings are the planning centre employees?
Brendan: From what I can remember, some of them would have been members of the Earth life system at some point. They would have been human at some point. But it's almost like there's a... I'm trying to find the words for it, but we're used to thinking of things in terms of corporate organisations and business structures, and there's a spirit analogue of that in the non-physical realms where there are roles to fill and jobs to do, but it's a very different type of dynamic and experience. And there's no overlords or tyrants or bosses breathing down your neck, but those people in the centre.
They were referred to as consciousness workers, I think, CWs for short. Anyone in that role doing that job has to have an enormous capacity for experiencing and channelling and holding what they refer to as pure, unconditional love. The Monroe Institute uses this terminology. They shorten it to P-U-L. So that's what these guys have, as a prerequisite for their job, this enormous capacity for holding enormous unconditional love and then being willing to act in a role of service and play this part for a while, however long. I don't know, until it's time to move on to something else.
Derek: Wow. That's fascinating. And yeah, that capacity for unconditional love when everyone is just doing things against their own best interests.
Brendan: And you can imagine, in that kind of role where you're connecting people and making things happen or facilitating things happening, you wouldn't want anyone else doing it. It's got to be somebody who has just that base character, that description of someone who has enormous capacity for not just dealing with the information processing, but the unconditional love. No agenda. There's no personal investment in any of it. They're just trying to facilitate connections.
Derek: Wow. Thanks. Let's go ahead and give a shout out to those workers. Thanks, team.
[1:27:28] Closing Questions and Where to Find Brendan's Work
Derek: Well, Brendan, is there anything I haven't asked you about yet that you want to make sure we cover?
Brendan: Man, that's a great question, but I can't think of anything. We could go off about other afterlife tangents, but yeah.
If people want to check out my stuff, I've got a Substack blog. I have a little program called Evolve Yourself, which we have a free masterclass for if you want to check that out and see what kind of work we do in terms of accelerating evolution and connection, and doing it in a way that's not hands-on and not time-consuming and really efficient.
The masterclass is over at evolveyourself.live. So yeah, check out my Substack. Check out The Grand Illusion Book 1. The link for that is brendandmurphy.com slash TGI.
But yeah, let me know if you've got any other questions, man. It's your show, I'll let you run it. I just wanted to drop those links in so people can connect on the other side.
Derek: Yeah, thank you. We will make sure all those links are in all the places where we publish it, of course. And it's been great hanging out with you. Glad you could stop by today.
Brendan: Yeah, man. It's been a pleasure. It's been fun.
Derek: It's been fun. Yeah. Let's stay in touch.
Brendan: Absolutely. Yeah. Let me know when the episode goes out and I'll give it a share.
Derek: For sure.
Brendan: Awesome, brother. Thanks for having me on.
Derek: Yeah, thank you. Talk soon.
Brendan: Cool, man. Bye.